Correct spotting of the squat.

[Realtalk]

13 minutes ago, donz said:

Not competing this year, I never said I compete like I train and it wasn't a grip problem it was calluses tearing off - maybe if I stroked own ego as much as you my hands would be conditioned better. That's about the best you can do though right? Sling shit at someone on the forums because your feelings get a bit hurt haha! Classic Tom.

 

Oh your poor wee hands. Better luck next time.

[Bigken1985]

A walkout really is very similar to a handout on the bench. Yes on the bench you can have someone hand it out. But you still have to set you back and lats etc. I actually self handout at comps as it rain that way

[BeastBuilder]

7 minutes ago, Bigken1985 said:

A walkout really is very similar to a handout on the bench. Yes on the bench you can have someone hand it out. But you still have to set you back and lats etc. I actually self handout at comps as it rain that way

 

In the context of this discussion the walk out is nothing like a lift out on a Bench Press.

There's no fed that bans a lift out, there's always face savers whether you have a lift out or not, you're not physically having to take unbalanced steps with a heavy weight on top of you etc.

You can opt to lift out yourself but it doesn't make your Bench anymore impressive.

I have the utmost respect for guys who self unrack big weights, I'm having to learn to do the same without a training partner, but it doesn't mean I respect their lift any less if they do get a lift out, which seems to not be the case if someone does a squat in a Mono people seem to try discredit the lift etc.

[Realtalk]

No one is discrediting the lift. Just saying a walked out squat of the same weight is harder than a monolift squat of the same weight. It's on your back for longer and you use more energy. It's no need to get offended, I have used a mono plenty of times in comp and I can say walking out from a rack is more difficult. 

 

no a bench press handout allows you to remain tight in the set up. It's very difficult to unrack to yourself and maintain the same set up you could have with the handout. A walked out squat once feet are set you can get set up properly and get tight.

 

And someone said walk out a deadlift... You're an idiot. What next walk from home to the venue 

 

 

[Realtalk]

Yes, if shit hits the fan and your squat turns bad then a monolift with stropes will be safer than nothing. I agree. But should we stop scrums in rugby and make golden oldies compulsory across all levels cause a few people wrecked their necks. No.

[Wookie]

On 30/06/2016 at 11:07 AM, donz said:

I don't use a mono even though I can go to powerhouse and lift in one, I don't give 2 flying fucks about equipped lifting - I think it's boring as shit and will never do it and people in bench shirts look like zombie fan girls. If walking out takes away the ability to lift more weight then why would you want to walk it out? Is power lifting not about the ability to lift the most weight possible? You don't walk out a bench press or dead lift - you walk in, bend over and pick the bar up. You're talking about the mono allowing a wider squat yet you're fine with a sumo dead lift where peoples toes literally touch the weights? Where is the consistency with that statement.

 

The squats I saw with bad spotting in this IPF comp were all examples of where the weight could have been dumped, the lifter flops forward ( you could even put pads down to save face smashing the ground ) - I don't see why you'd want to trap a guy whos 140kg under the bar while he's on his knees almost convulsing while people struggle to lift the weight 

 

I think ( personally obviously ) that it's retarded to walk out heavy weights, it doesn't make you alpha or stronger.. a big dead lift requires more strength than an equal weighted squat which is why guys like the SHW can bounce their fat asses up from a 438kg squat but struggle to pull a 360kg dead lift  ( ok that might be sparking a new debate ) but yeah my 2 cents is if its ACTUALLY about safety to lifters AND lifting the most weight then unrack + walk out makes no sense.

 

I don't see where I made any kind of moral opinion on whether wide stance squats should be allowed.

I'll make one right now though: wide stance squats are perfectly legal providing you hit parallel.

 

Now the thread was about the safety of the squat. What I'm pushing back on is the idea that the monolift makes everything safer. It does in some ways such as allowing easier dumping of weights.

 

However my point is that in at least 2 ways it makes things more dangerous.

One is that most guys can unrack a significantly bigger weight than they can walkout.

 

And the second was my point about stance width. I mentioned that likely 90%+ of bar dumpings due to the legs buckling happen while stationary not walking backwards.

The mono allows a wider stance. The wider you go the greater chance you have of your legs buckling. Basic physics. 

Mono gives you two extra ways to add extra danger into the mix, while removing some that come from a walkout.

 

As for more strength in the deadlift? Ray locked out 375 on a 7'bar. I say we give him a pass on the posterior chain strength side of things. 

[BeastBuilder]

5 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

No one is discrediting the lift. Just saying a walked out squat of the same weight is harder than a monolift squat of the same weight. It's on your back for longer and you use more energy. It's no need to get offended, I have used a mono plenty of times in comp and I can say walking out from a rack is more difficult. 

 

no a bench press handout allows you to remain tight in the set up. It's very difficult to unrack to yourself and maintain the same set up you could have with the handout. A walked out squat once feet are set you can get set up properly and get tight.

 

And someone said walk out a deadlift... You're an idiot. What next walk from home to the venue 

 

 

 

Who's getting offended ? I'm just pointing out the difference. 

Personally I find a mono more difficult as I don't train in one so I don't know how to set up in it properly, my PB walked out Squat is higher than my PB Squat in a Mono.

 

I find it hard to believe you can lose tightness walking out and then regain all of that lost tightness while having the weight pushing down on you, I don't think anyone can get the same tightness back again once they've lost it. Walking out and holding tightness the whole time is a skill in itself.

 

Also this seems to have gotten way off track, it started with the correct spotting of a Squat, in which I think Markos' post was pretty spot on, it is definitely a learned skill and should be taught to every spotter prior to big events such as this Raw World's.

The debate on Mono vs Rack safety is basically one sided if your spotters aren't up to the job.

I'd rather squat by myself in a Mono and just dump the bar on the loops if I miss, than have a shit spot team who can't get me up out of the hole if I miss.

There's a bit more than just a stiff neck on the line if you get stuck in the hole with 100s of kilos of weight on your back.

 

The point is that spotters need to be trained properly and be suited to the weight class they're spotting if they can be. Otherwise a Mono is safer than a Rack.

[bang_bang]

Too much tren ITT

[HarryB]

Actually I believe it's too much anadrol..

[Wookie]

I heard Cameron McKenzie rear spotted the squats in the 120kg class - an Aussie guy who deadlifts around 350.
Unsurprisingly, no issues.
Pity they didn't slip him some Benjamin's to do the SHW's.