IPF Worlds

[Realtalk]

Just watched the Haack v Gibbs battle on YouTube now. Epic. That guy is a huge u83 lifter.

[bang_bang]

Still a junior too I believe. He won usapl nationals open category so he was selected in that. 

[Bigken1985]

Haacks squat and dl were so smooth. Just muscled that conventional up no problem at all. I think Brett attempt selection was off on the squats. Lost a lot of kilo there

[Realtalk]

He's squatted 300 in training before. Maybe he cuts weight to get to u83?

When he hits the big weights in the gym maybe he weighs round 86kg? Maybe more? I dunno just guessing.

 

haack was just better. He was stronger and his strategy was great. Brett had a bad day and haack had a perfect day and more in the tank too.

 

of course we still have the drug test results to come in from everyone but gotta give credit to haack. U83 and look at the size of him, hardly a Manlet. Looks like a u105 lifter

 

 

 

[Skeletor]

Yeah he was still 5 pounds over 6 days out so maybee sito a bit higher. He's a really good strong lifter and i think he's only going to get better to. Was gutted for Brett but that's powerlifting I guess and he still got on the podium so should be proud as. 

[Wookie]

438kg squat for Ray Williams,

 

5th was 380. Sickening in sleeves.

[AuntMaud]

Haacks coach/assist was on point, all his numbers chosen perfectly. Gutted for Gibbs, but mad respect to Haack and his team for pulling everything off so flawlessly.

Watching Ray Squat 438 was absolutely insane, and boy was it intense when Kelly Branton bailed on his last squat, he looked like he was seriously injured for a second there. IMO it's a shame he didn't shoot for silver, that final pull sailed up so fast...

[bang_bang]

Is everyone too stuck up Gibbs ass to tell him he squats high in training? That's two meets in a row he's only hit 1 squat. With a smarter strategy he would've won. 

[bang_bang]

The SHW squats were insane. Blows my mind how fast their lifts always look. 

[Realtalk]

1 hour ago, bang_bang said:

Is everyone too stuck up Gibbs ass to tell him he squats high in training? That's two meets in a row he's only hit 1 squat. With a smarter strategy he would've won. 

 

it doesn't really work like that bro. Strategy or not he still got stapled by the third attempt. I read someone say to him "if you had of got that second squat you only would have needed to pull 320 to win and you can get that easily". That's really dumb when people say that kind of thing. That's like saying if Jamie had of got his 340 3rd squat at 2015 nationals he would have won. Well he didn't get it. Same kind of thing. Don't you think haack would have changed his attempts to still try and win? He had more in squat and more in deadlift, I didn't see him bench.

 

I think Brett squats to depth. And I don't think people who happily compete in gpc and say nothing about its members squats should really be commenting on Brett gibbs' squat depth.

 

Brett is a great lifter, I'm a big fan. He will be back. I'm happy he has some stiff competition in haack. It makes it much more exciting for myself being a fan. If he wasted everyone by 50 or 60kg I probably wouldnt be as much of a fan as I am. But that's just me. 

[teamfatboy]

2 hours ago, Realtalk said:

 

it doesn't really work like that bro. Strategy or not he still got stapled by the third attempt. I read someone say to him "if you had of got that second squat you only would have needed to pull 320 to win and you can get that easily". That's really dumb when people say that kind of thing. That's like saying if Jamie had of got his 340 3rd squat at 2015 nationals he would have won. Well he didn't get it. Same kind of thing. Don't you think haack would have changed his attempts to still try and win? He had more in squat and more in deadlift, I didn't see him bench.

 

 

At any level, but especially at the top level, attempt selection is everything - I've seen guys nominate high attempts to dupe their rivals into high nominations, then drop back after it's too late - they get theirs, the rival misses - it's all about the win.

 

If you were listening to the commentators, or following the scoring, the deadlift final-attempts were changing all the time, whether in sub-junior u47kg women's or U83 open men, but the root cause of the changes was back in a poor bench or squat round. 

 

 

[Bigken1985]

4 hours ago, Realtalk said:

 

it doesn't really work like that bro. Strategy or not he still got stapled by the third attempt. I read someone say to him "if you had of got that second squat you only would have needed to pull 320 to win and you can get that easily". That's really dumb when people say that kind of thing. That's like saying if Jamie had of got his 340 3rd squat at 2015 nationals he would have won. Well he didn't get it. Same kind of thing. Don't you think haack would have changed his attempts to still try and win? He had more in squat and more in deadlift, I didn't see him bench.

 

I think Brett squats to depth. And I don't think people who happily compete in gpc and say nothing about its members squats should really be commenting on Brett gibbs' squat depth.

 

Brett is a great lifter, I'm a big fan. He will be back. I'm happy he has some stiff competition in haack. It makes it much more exciting for myself being a fan. If he wasted everyone by 50 or 60kg I probably wouldnt be as much of a fan as I am. But that's just me. 

I'm 50/50 I like Brett and i definitely think he'll come back super strong. He had haack in bench, I just think somewhere along the line the squat opener ended up too high. Not by much either. he has got very strong in the last couple of years,  so I think what he does in training doesn't  necessarily transfer to the platform. Squat that is. I do wonder if the pressure etc with his u tubes and fame he now has has an effect at all

[maccaz]

27 minutes ago, Bigken1985 said:

I'm 50/50 I like Brett and i definitely think he'll come back super strong. He had haack in bench, I just think somewhere along the line the squat opener ended up too high. Not by much either. he has got very strong in the last couple of years,  so I think what he does in training doesn't  necessarily transfer to the platform. Squat that is. I do wonder if the pressure etc with his u tubes and fame he now has has an effect at all

probably just doesnt handle the weight cut well.

the youtube and all that is far less strenuous than an actual functioning humans 8-5  job i imagine so probably not too much of a factor

[Wookie]

19 hours ago, bang_bang said:

Is everyone too stuck up Gibbs ass to tell him he squats high in training? That's two meets in a row he's only hit 1 squat. With a smarter strategy he would've won. 

 

After you win a few world titles you tend to trust your training and not listen to plebs like us.

Still, sounds like a bit of a repeat of this years Arnold Classic. 

I'm sure he has the brains to work it out.

[bang_bang]

18 hours ago, Realtalk said:

 

it doesn't really work like that bro. Strategy or not he still got stapled by the third attempt. I read someone say to him "if you had of got that second squat you only would have needed to pull 320 to win and you can get that easily". That's really dumb when people say that kind of thing. That's like saying if Jamie had of got his 340 3rd squat at 2015 nationals he would have won. Well he didn't get it. Same kind of thing. Don't you think haack would have changed his attempts to still try and win? He had more in squat and more in deadlift, I didn't see him bench.

 

I think Brett squats to depth. And I don't think people who happily compete in gpc and say nothing about its members squats should really be commenting on Brett gibbs' squat depth.

 

Brett is a great lifter, I'm a big fan. He will be back. I'm happy he has some stiff competition in haack. It makes it much more exciting for myself being a fan. If he wasted everyone by 50 or 60kg I probably wouldnt be as much of a fan as I am. But that's just me.

 

That's what I meant by strategy, he got stapled by 10kg more than his opener on the back of confidence from high squats in training. That's amatuer shit and i'd expect better from a world class lifter but i'm sure he'll reasess and come back better. No point debating it in hindsight but there's a fair chance it cost him a world title. I'm a big fan of his too but that doesn't mean he should be immune to critisism. His last training session was 285 2x2. All them were clearly high and that reflected in his performance. I'm yet to see a clearly high squat pass in gpcnz so I have nothing to complain about. On a world wide level gpcnzs refereeing is pretty good. 

[Wookie]

1 hour ago, bang_bang said:

I'm yet to see a clearly high squat pass in gpcnz so I have nothing to complain about. On a world wide level gpcnzs refereeing is pretty good. 

 

I'm a big fan of GPCNZ, but bro, seriously, stop. Easily one of the highest squats in NZ history got whites in one of the first GPC comps. Thankfully things have improved.

 

On a world level, yes certainly in Aussie I think it's the best untested fed standards wise.

[bang_bang]

1 hour ago, Wookie said:

 

I'm a big fan of GPCNZ, but bro, seriously, stop. Easily one of the highest squats in NZ history got whites in one of the first GPC comps. Thankfully things have improved.

 

On a world level, yes certainly in Aussie I think it's the best untested fed standards wise.

 

Ok well I wasn't part of gpc then and I'm speaking from my personal experience. Compared to some of the bullshit that comes out of America and Eastern Europe I think they're doing pretty well and will continue to get better. 

[bang_bang]

Anyway let's not ruin another good thread going back over that drama. 

 

I heard a few negative comments about the set up and platform not being up to worlds standard also some of the spotting was awful and they were running late a lot of the time but overall I enjoyed watching when I could and the standard of lifting was outstanding. It'll be interesting seeing the drug test results lol. 

[HarryB]

The whole drug testing thing is always interesting at events of this calibre. But at least with the testing it means without resources it's hard to pass tests which makes it hard for guys who have to work actual jobs and those from 3rd world countries to take steroids and pass the tests. So it takes part of that aspect away. I do think it's an amazing testament to the guys lifting that they can shift so much weight while having the "have to pass a test" handbrake on. Makes me wonder why guys in untested feds aren't killing those same numbers. I mean if it were just drugs and training protocols then all the steroid guys in gpc would smash their counterparts in ipf. 

[Wookie]

Thing is, if you look at the absolute top untested guys - Malanichev et al, many of then were top IPF guys. Yarambash, Belyaev, Pozdeev.

Then you have the Dan Greens and Lilliebridges of this world who havve afaik been untested all the time.

 

With the fractured nature of PL, the IPF has attracted the top guys for longest largely because of what it means to be champ. From where I stand I think in the SHW classes the biggest numbers rather than medals is the goal.

[Wookie]

Spotting doesnt seem to have been up to standard it seems. That said... 9 day comps are ridiculous.