Gpc NZ and social media

[Realtalk]

Everyone knew she was off her face. But you would say you didn't know you couldn't possibly say you knew. 

 

ignorance is bliss

[HarryB]

I'm not sure why you're slamming Tom. It's not like he is commenting for himself. He's not a disgruntled unsuccessful competitor, he's a champion in the GPC and has proven that time and time again on the platform with zero controversy. If anything we should be applauding the guy for speaking up for other athletes who are coming up. In much the same way we should in any sport or industry. It holds more weight when someone who was in the decision making process openly speaks about things that go on. Where people lose personal and social credibility is when they deny knowledge or gloss over facts. 

 

As for the cone of silence bullshit... likening it to super rugby? Man if a ref makes a bad call in a game... he gets smashed by the media, by the commentators and by the guys who oversee the refs. We see it all the time in the NRL over here. Yes they hand out fines to clubs and players (bully them into coersion) but in the public media they get slammed. That's pretty much what happens when there's controversy and coverups in anything. Once people get wind of it they start becoming indignant and that's fair enough. 

[soundsgood]

"- thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I won't be having anything to do with gpc. I'm not like other people who leave just to get a reaction."

 

But isn't that exactly what you are doing?  

 

We aren't taking about a watergate scandal here.  If a real man didn't like the way a federation was operating then he would move over to a different one and just get on with his own lifting

 

These little melodramas are so old already.     What do you gain from them?

 

You're better than this bro, You've got so many other positive things to focus on in your life and you're a bloody good lifter.  Why not put this negative attention into that.  

[Skeletor]

Isn't this code of conduct addressing those exact problems with the intoxicated woman etc?  Surely if they have put this in place they are in fact making an effort to better the federation overall.  

[Realtalk]

23 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

Isn't this code of conduct addressing those exact problems with the intoxicated woman etc?  Surely if they have put this in place they are in fact making an effort to better the federation overall.  

 

So August last year was when it happened and when I raised it. That's 8 months ago. And it's taken all of this for it to be acknowledged. It's too little too late from where I sit.  

People were aware of it well before then too had happened at other comps previous to August 2015.

[bang_bang]

I wouldn't waste your breath on these negative nobodies soundsgood. The fact is the vast majority of members are very happy with gpc and appreciate people volunteer their time and effort so lifters have the opportunity to compete. Gpcnz is only going to get bigger and better.

 

Enjoy competing against no one at capo/upanz/ipl or whatever they're called this week. 

[Realtalk]

39 minutes ago, soundsgood said:

"- thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I won't be having anything to do with gpc. I'm not like other people who leave just to get a reaction."

 

But isn't that exactly what you are doing?  

 

We aren't taking about a watergate scandal here.  If a real man didn't like the way a federation was operating then he would move over to a different one and just get on with his own lifting

 

These little melodramas are so old already.     What do you gain from them?

 

You're better than this bro, You've got so many other positive things to focus on in your life and you're a bloody good lifter.  Why not put this negative attention into that.  

 

no, if a real man didn't like something they would say something in private to people involved and then if they were ignored they would tell people who would listen. Board chat, ref chat... Ring any fucking bells?

 

whatever man.

[HarryB]

9 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

 

So August last year was when it happened and when I raised it. That's 8 months ago. And it's taken all of this for it to be acknowledged. It's too little too late from where I sit.  

People were aware of it well before then too had happened at other comps previous to August 2015.

 

It's obviously reactive to negative criticism... normally a code of conduct is put into place at the beginning not as a reaction to negative events and publicity. 

 

And this is the crucial thing... raising issues and making comment leads to a better federation if things are handled openly and with transparency. Sweeping things under the carpet or feigning ignorance doesn't help a situation it only fans the flames. 

[eLm0]

What is the purpose of this rant...

What are you trying to achieve? You left the fed so how does this affect you in any way? 

A code of conduct is a sign of progress, if you disagree with the government you don't leave the country do you? 

 

This kind of negativity is what I'd expect from a diva, not one of the best lifters in NZ

 

GPC is awesome, good comps and great lifters, you're comments are directed at many people, who, myself included, only want to lift weights... 

[Realtalk]

20 minutes ago, eLm0 said:

What is the purpose of this rant...

What are you trying to achieve? You left the fed so how does this affect you in any way? 

A code of conduct is a sign of progress, if you disagree with the government you don't leave the country do you? 

 

This kind of negativity is what I'd expect from a diva, not one of the best lifters in NZ

 

GPC is awesome, good comps and great lifters, you're comments are directed at many people, who, myself included, only want to lift weights... 

 

Pretty much as Harry just said above is the point of it.

 

If you think gpc is great then good for you. 

[Realtalk]

It affects other people too who aren't members of the fed. When you have people on social media claiming first person in NZ across all feds to do this or get that then that does irk people a little bit when the reffing was rubbish. 

Anyway you don't have to be a member to have the right to speak up... Wtf is that kind of thought.

 

i actually think you would be a good president dhiren. You should put foot forward. I think you would be great for gpc nz. You are intelligent, have a level head and would fill the need for integrity within the leadership group which is seriously lacking 

[eLm0]

21 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

It affects other people too who aren't members of the fed. When you have people on social media claiming first person in NZ across all feds to do this or get that then that does irk people a little bit when the reffing was rubbish. 

Anyway you don't have to be a member to have the right to speak up... Wtf is that kind of thought.

 

i actually think you would be a good president dhiren. You should put foot forward. I think you would be great for gpc nz. You are intelligent, have a level head and would fill the need for integrity within the leadership group which is seriously lacking 

 

You don't have to be a member to speak out but negative criticism, bitching about things and throwing around insults are not constructive and don't contribute to the cause. Do you think this strategy works well to get things done?  Denigrating people only alienates them from what you are trying to achieve. Be the change you want to see man

 

I think the current and former presidents have done a great job to get GPC to where it is and will continue to. I work full time/study full time and train full time but I am still planning on getting more involved and I am even doing a ref exam this week.

[HarryB]

What a bunch of nuthuggers? Don't you realize you're just enabling more bad behaviour and dubious decisions? Which actually take away from the validity of the competitions you enter and the federation you belong to. This whole line of conversation whilst confrontational if you're at the top end and have assisted in covering up and ignoring issues... Hamish. Is actually helpful in the long term to the federation and in fact to the sport in general. Otherwise the whole fed becomes a joke kind of like how a whole lot of people view the nzfbb now. Which is sad because it takes away from all the great competitors and really good things that are being done. But hey... bury your head in the sand. Keep playing brown nose politics... that always winds up as a positive. 

[HarryB]

And this is what's happening here... Tom is presenting facts that's not mudslinging or ranting, it's factual. You guys are then calling him a whinger and telling him he's not a real man... that's mudslinging. 

 

I believe I just said something about discrediting the source blah blah blah. You know what'd be manly? Being open and honest, not pming stuff you don't wanna say in public cos you know it's gonna make you look bad and actually addressing issues and admitting there was a problem. That'd be manly. 

 

 

 

[HarryB]

Now before some homo decides to ask me what it has to do with me... I'll say it has a lot to do with me. I coach people who compete in a variety of sports and the credibility of those sports is important to me. It's disappointing when I hear that there's so much politics involved in anything I coach people in. I don't coach anyone in GPC that's true I am involved in the nutrition and cycle aspects of some powerlfiters and my brother is a powerlfiter over here in aus so I'm invested in credibility. 

 

I don't even understand what's wrong with having some transparency AND accountability. 

[Realtalk]

45 minutes ago, eLm0 said:

 

You don't have to be a member to speak out but negative criticism, bitching about things and throwing around insults are not constructive and don't contribute to the cause. Do you think this strategy works well to get things done?  Denigrating people only alienates them from what you are trying to achieve. Be the change you want to see man

 

I think the current and former presidents have done a great job to get GPC to where it is and will continue to. I work full time/study full time and train full time but I am still planning on getting more involved and I am even doing a ref exam this week.

 

i don't give a toss whether you think the way I'm speaking out is acceptable or not in your mind. Seems to be working a lot better for me than trying to have a proper discussion about it like i attempted to do in the first place.

 

 

[eLm0]

1 hour ago, Realtalk said:

 

i don't give a toss whether you think the way I'm speaking out is acceptable or not in your mind. Seems to be working a lot better for me than trying to have a proper discussion about it like i attempted to do in the first place.

 

 

 

OK whatever man. I was just getting philosophical. Each to their own.

 

Your concerns would have been more credible if you remained a member because I never even heard about half of this stuff until after you quit, why not make a post like this before leaving? Why bring personal vendettas into a public space?

 

Because now, as an observer from the sidelines, I'm just correlating your attempt to stigmatize GPC as an ulterior bid to improve the reputation of and promote migration to the next best alternative which happens to be your new federation. 

I got nothing against UPANZ, the more people powerlifting the better. Just an observation...

[soundsgood]

There's absolutely nothing here that needs to be discussed on a public forum.  Tom you haven't raised a single issue here that is worth talking about.

 

Now you are no longer lifting with GPC I understand this is the only way you can stay relevant Tom.  But this is nothing more than bullying.  

 

Your opinion ion used to mean something to me but it no longer does.  You are a bully.  

 

If Andrew wishes to permit this thinly disguised bullying to go on on his forum I shall bid Gymnation adieu.  

[HarryB]

I just spat my coffee all over the table from loling so hard... telling the truth is bullying now? Ha ha ha stay relevant ha ha ha ha opinion used to mean something ha ha ha ha man these are pearls.  

 

 

[Realtalk]

52 minutes ago, soundsgood said:

There's absolutely nothing here that needs to be discussed on a public forum.  Tom you haven't raised a single issue here that is worth talking about.

 

Now you are no longer lifting with GPC I understand this is the only way you can stay relevant Tom.  But this is nothing more than bullying.  

 

Your opinion ion used to mean something to me but it no longer does.  You are a bully.  

 

If Andrew wishes to permit this thinly disguised bullying to go on on his forum I shall bid Gymnation adieu.  

 My opinion means nothing to you cause it's negative of you. No shit.

 

im just telling the truth.

[Realtalk]

It's ok when it's your friends dan and Jade having a go at moe... That is the truth but I am bullying. Struggling to see the difference there?

 

 

[Realtalk]

1 hour ago, eLm0 said:

 

OK whatever man. I was just getting philosophical. Each to their own.

 

Your concerns would have been more credible if you remained a member because I never even heard about half of this stuff until after you quit, why not make a post like this before leaving? Why bring personal vendettas into a public space?

 

Because now, as an observer from the sidelines, I'm just correlating your attempt to stigmatize GPC as an ulterior bid to improve the reputation of and promote migration to the next best alternative which happens to be your new federation. 

I got nothing against UPANZ, the more people powerlifting the better. Just an observation...

Think what you please man, I honestly don't give a flying f*ck what you think about me or your stupid hypothesis on what my motives are lol.

 

how bout they all just really fucked me off and I'm talking about it or is that too simplistic?

[eLm0]

14 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

Think what you please man, I honestly don't give a flying f*ck what you think about me or your stupid hypothesis on what my motives are lol.

 

how bout they all just really fucked me off and I'm talking about it or is that too simplistic?

 

Haha man I respected you as a somewhat intelligent/rational person, we've only ever had positive encounters which is why I put this drama queen behavior beyond you. Seriously man.

To be honest I genuinely thought that would be too simplistic of a reason but it turns out you are just another 14-year old girl trapped in the body of a shaved bear.

 

[Pseudonym]

Come on guys... You're ALL better than this!

 

Cut out the personal crap, and focus on the issues.

 

Questioning different aspects of a sports organisation's systems and structure (even criticising them) is a perfectly legitimate discussion to have. And equally, an opinion that there's nothing wrong with them is a perfectly legitimate response.

 

This site has always allowed both sides to have their say, no matter what. That's the very thing we stand for. It's why we exist!

 

I understand that a lot of people here have put a lot of time and effort into GPC, and clearly both sides are emotionally invested in this. But please... take a breath, take a step back, and put the politics aside. Let's just talk this through one point at a time. Calmly, and without getting personal.

 

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The question is, should officials from ANY sports organisation (whether that's powerlifting, bodybuilding, rugby, whatever...) be prohibited from commenting on social media? If so, how far should that restriction go?

 

Should they be able to comment on any events at all? Or no events? Or not the events they officiated in, but provide expert commentary on others?

 

I think it's a really interesting discussion - and one that's increasingly relevant in today's social media centred lifestyle.

[bang_bang]

You can't polish a turd mate, nothing constructive is gonna come of out this thread.