Gpc NZ and social media

[HarryB]

I guess the actual personal insults speak of the character of the people who make them. 

 

I think it's all about transparency. When a judge makes a decision you should be able to question it especially if there's more than one person who refutes it. With the current ability of every man and his dog to make a comment on social media, ignoring issues actually just makes people question more and credibility falls off. This is in every sport. 

 

The response to criticism seems to be to rubbish the person making the claim. Like how people blame the girl in a short skirt for being raped or the weak kid for being bullied. Now we all know this is a bullshit tactic but yet we accept it in this instance? Ridiculous. 

 

A judge/ref/adjudicator is an individual. They should be able to voice their own opinion about any instance at any point in time. Also a competitor should be able to ask why a certain call was made etc etc    

 

 

[PETN]

@GyzzBrah what are your thoughts on this? Do you think there's evidence here of politics at play and if so is it liberal or conservative in nature?

 

What do you think of this clause?

 

 

 

And what about pseudonym's non confrontational very neutral but conceeding stance? Would you draw from it parallels to Neville Chamberlain and Britain's foreign policy of appeasement towards Germany in the mid to late 1930s?

[Pseudonym]

35 minutes ago, HarryB said:

A judge/ref/adjudicator is an individual. They should be able to voice their own opinion about any instance at any point in time. Also a competitor should be able to ask why a certain call was made etc etc  

Do you reckon? See, I think there is an argument that if refs are allowed to comment on their judgement calls, there's an implicit expectation that refs SHOULD make a public comment when approached. That puts them right in the targets of angry athletes and their supporters. Then if the ref replies, and it's not to the athlete's satisfaction (which it almost certainly won't be!), then it becomes a debate, and the situation escalates, and so on... Suddenly your ref has become a spokesperson for the organisation, or even worse, is under attack from all sides. And that's not their role - it's unfair to expect them to do that.

 

However, I do think there needs to be a process through which the ref's judgement calls can questioned. In the case of GPC, it sounds like the Technical Officer is that gateway.

 

I dunno... I'm a strong advocate for people being able to question an authority (case in point: this topic!), but I don't see a problem with GPC's policy.

[GyzzBrah]

Nah I said this to realtalk as well I know nothing about the GPC and what their policies are regarding this, and have never been affected by it nor competed for them so I have nothing to contribute to this discussion.

 

@PETN

[Realtalk]

6 minutes ago, Pseudonym said:

Do you reckon? See, I think there is an argument that if refs are allowed to comment on their judgement calls, there's an implicit expectation that refs SHOULD make a public comment when approached. That puts them right in the targets of angry athletes and their supporters. Then if the ref replies, and it's not to the athlete's satisfaction (which it almost certainly won't be!), then it becomes a debate, and the situation escalates, and so on... Suddenly your ref has become a spokesperson for the organisation, or even worse, is under attack from all sides. And that's not their role - it's unfair to expect them to do that.

 

However, I do think there needs to be a process through which the ref's judgement calls can questioned. In the case of GPC, it sounds like the Technical Officer is that gateway.

 

I dunno... I'm a strong advocate for people being able to question an authority (case in point: this topic!), but I don't see a problem with GPC's policy.

 

There is a gpc NZ ref group of FB it's a chat group. That is the forum for discussing decisions. Bit of a problem though when Hamish thinks people are attacking him when they say his squat was high and leaves the chat group cause hurt his ego. Then the whole thing turns into a hurt feeling soap drama and the issue at hand just gets swept under the mat. 

 

So honestly what can you do... 

[Realtalk]

1 hour ago, bang_bang said:

You can't polish a turd mate, nothing constructive is gonna come of out this thread. 

 

Not constructive to who? See you are one of those people who are more than happy to get behind an nzifbb issue and have your say but when it's gpc it's somehow unbelievable and not constructive. Get a grip.

[Pseudonym]

OK, clearly I don't know any of the background behind this. And that's probably a good thing, because as I say, I want to keep the politics out of this discussion.

 

However, given a situation where a lifter who is also a referee is having his lifts discussed by the other referees, surely it's quite appropriate that he step out of that discussion?

[Realtalk]

29 minutes ago, Pseudonym said:

OK, clearly I don't know any of the background behind this. And that's probably a good thing, because as I say, I want to keep the politics out of this discussion.

 

However, given a situation where a lifter who is also a referee is having his lifts discussed by the other referees, surely it's quite appropriate that he step out of that discussion?

 

But appropriate that he is present at the ref briefing before the comp?

 

no.

[soundsgood]

Are you actually implying corruption? 

 

That I actually influenced the refs at the briefing by saying something?

 

 Are you also implying the referees in question are also corrupt?  

 

No surely not even you would stoop to such lows so stop bringing it up.  Not to mention its complete bollocks

 

Actually Tom while I was present at the competitors briefing as I was actually presenting it, I wasn't present at the refs briefing at all.  I was too busy warming up in the squat rack.  So cut the bullshit and making up lies.  You're clutching at some seriously short straws here....  

[nomoneynohoney]

Too much drama. 

 

Just going to lift from now on. 

 

No more organising comps. 

 

1) Organise and do free seminars to get numbers for my hometown comp

2) Get talked shit about (no gratitude here. No one in hometown could be fucked so myself and a fellow lifter had to sort everything. Despite this get shit talked about)

3) Had to ref so didn't compete 

4) Had to compete in regional elsewhere to qualify/ Hear there are special exceptions for some lifters going straight to nationals... All after I sorted the comp and did AKL champs.

 

How does this all work?

 

Special exceptions to go straight to nationals etc

[eLm0]

34 minutes ago, Pseudonym said:

OK, clearly I don't know any of the background behind this. And that's probably a good thing, because as I say, I want to keep the politics out of this discussion.

 

 

An appropriate analogy for this situation is Star Wars Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith, where Anakin is defeated by Obi-Wan in the final battle and Anakin due to losing via a perceived advantage (Obi-Wan being higher on the hill rather than Obi-Wan being the better Jedi on the day) proceeds to join the dark side with the new objective of destroying the Republic.

 

I'll leave you to figure out who is who lol

 

Anakin you were meant to bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!

[Pseudonym]

Well, wherever you sit in this debate, I think we can all agree on one thing at least:

 

Star Wars Episodes 1-3 were shit!

[Realtalk]

20 minutes ago, soundsgood said:

Are you actually implying corruption? 

 

That I actually influenced the refs at the briefing by saying something?

 

 Are you also implying the referees in question are also corrupt?  

 

No surely not even you would stoop to such lows so stop bringing it up.  Not to mention its complete bollocks

 

Actually Tom while I was present at the competitors briefing as I was actually presenting it, I wasn't present at the refs briefing at all.  I was too busy warming up in the squat rack.  So cut the bullshit and making up lies.  You're clutching at some seriously short straws here....  

 

Im not implying anything just stating that you were present at the ref briefing. You didn't actually start warming up till I did which was well after the ref breifing which was before the female flights. 

[soundsgood]

Well you are incorrect 

I definately wasn't present at the ref briefing so I'm curious as to why you keep talking about it. 

I went down to the Juijitsu mats and performed about 20 mins of mobility stretches and so forth after I went out to my truck to grab my gym bags.

Don't even know why you would make up such an inconsequential lie ?

[Realtalk]

All good. All I tried to do was uphold the right thing and fairness within the federation. No one can disagree with that. i don't want or need anyone's respect especially respect from little wankers who hardly even know me. All I asked for was fairness and I didn't feel like I got it within gpc so I left.  But I think I have made my point and won't post about it anymore on here.

[soundsgood]

Fair enough and I agree there were a couple of issues that you have brought up that were valid.  You have always tried to be fair for everyone which no one can deny.  The points you have raised will be utilised to make a better fed.

 

I know this isn't your normal behaviour and you must feel very aggrieved to be pushed far enough to actually leave GPC because i know you loved lifting in it, and also to write all this.  And for my part I apologise.

 

I do respect you and your opinion or I wouldn't have even replied.  

 

Im happy to leave it there too bro. 

[Pseudonym]

Nice one, guys.

[chickswholift]

I cant believe what I am reading. All this is just childish bullshit. If you have left the fed, what concern is to you know how its running, and any of the details? You chose to leave, none of this is relevant to you anymore.

 

I cant see why we cant all just lift, and support each other, regardless of the fed we are part of. If you dont like something, move on and find something that you are happy to be part of.

 

I for one, am more than happy with the way the GPC NZ fed is being run. It is supportive, encouraging and such a welcome place esp for girls lifting. All you guys complaining about how it is run, have never had to run a comp and be part of all the stress that goes on behind the scenes. I have seen all the work involved so that everyone can just turn up and lift. I would love to see anyone do this day after day, trying to make the comps as well run as they are. Instead of bringing down the fed and everyone involved, how about just for a novelty we all try supporting those that run it and be stoked that we have someone with drive and passion to make our fed fuckin rad!

[maccaz]

8 minutes ago, chickswholift said:

I cant believe what I am reading. All this is just childish bullshit. If you have left the fed, what concern is to you know how its running, and any of the details? You chose to leave, none of this is relevant to you anymore.

 

I cant see why we cant all just lift, and support each other, regardless of the fed we are part of. If you dont like something, move on and find something that you are happy to be part of.

 

I for one, am more than happy with the way the GPC NZ fed is being run. It is supportive, encouraging and such a welcome place esp for girls lifting. All you guys complaining about how it is run, have never had to run a comp and be part of all the stress that goes on behind the scenes. I have seen all the work involved so that everyone can just turn up and lift. I would love to see anyone do this day after day, trying to make the comps as well run as they are. Instead of bringing down the fed and everyone involved, how about just for a novelty we all try supporting those that run it and be stoked that we have someone with drive and passion to make our fed fuckin rad!

 

 

This has been resolved, no point bringing it back up. 

Mods pls lock or delete 

[Pseudonym]

Agreed. We won't delete the topic, but I think everyone has had their say, and there's nothing new to add, so we will lock it.