overseas coaches

[maccaz]

21 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

Yeah that's him. 

you made the right choice then

[BeastBuilder]

Also on the side of thinking that seminar is far too overpriced and would be thinking the same as RT in regards to the total price being paid. If I remember rightly he sold out a weekend at 20 people on Sat and 20 people on Sunday at one of his seminars in Oz, that's $12k for one weekend, surely there is not some special secret that all the best lifters are keeping from us small fish that warrants that kind of money.

I thought we all realised that there was no magical cure to being weak or no magic set/rep scheme that will make you strong.

Things like this remind me of a powerlifting version of HerbalLife etc etc that aren't worth the money but people buy into the hype and are always looking for the magic bullet.

Don't get me wrong, Oreb is a class act, doing what he loves and making a good living out of it, strong as, nice guy I talked to him in person at PR8. I just think it's a silly amount of money to pay for something like that.

 

 

Also on the note of overseas coaches, it probably does come down to social media presence etc a lot of the time, just like any sort of goods or service, advertising and marketing is key, getting the right message into people's heads.

If the people in NZ that wanted to be coaches etc got better at that they would probably get more people onboard. If they wanted it, I'm not meaning Wookie etc who just do it as a hobby. It's the same with PTs in gyms, someone could be a better trainer than someone else but if the other person is better at marketing themselves and getting in more people's heads, guess who's going to have more clients regardless of results.

 

I was Thomas Lilley's first full time online client, and he was the first 'coach' I'd ever had. I'd had mentors/bigger and stronger training partners before but never someone who gave me programming and exact technique advice like a proper coach.

I met Thomas in person a few months before I got him onboard, before I even thought I was guna get a coach or compete again. Was a nice as guy and just from talking to him in the gym over a couple days he helped me with a few things and seemed really knowledgable. So when I thought about competing again I messaged him for some advice on my programming I had thought of etc and then that's when I found out he was an online coach and he was extremely reasonable price wise. I wanted to get stronger than ever before so thought might as well do something I'd never done before and just do as I was told so didn't have to stress over training and was accountable technique wise. I obviously put in the work but he helped me get from the middle of the pack to actually vying for top spots at decent competitions and I doubt very much I would have progressed as much without him.

I don't really have much to compare it too as I'm still young and he's the only coach I've had but really I couldn't fault much with Thomas. He's busy so at times his reply time to videos etc was a little slower but that was understandable, and I believe he is changing to a different coaching model over this year where he has different levels of coaching with the top level having guaranteed response within 24 hours so you just pay a lil more for the guarantee. Good idea imo as it sets out the terms of the coaching very clearly. Also out of the four competitions I did with him he was there on the day at three of them, the only one he wasn't there for was the Chch Regionals and we were basically treating that as another training session anyway.

 

Long as f*ck post sorry but lots to be said lol.

 

Cliffs: If too long to read don't bother, not that interesting

[Wookie]

Solid post BB. Not Pulitzer Prize worthy, but good. 3.5 stars.

[BeastBuilder]

Just now, Wookie said:

Solid post BB. Not Pulitzer Prize worthy, but good. 3.5 stars.

 

Lol kinda went off on a tangent but I meant to say that basically I didn't actively look for an overseas coach over an NZ coach, just happened to work out that way. Wasn't even looking for a coach so I guess it was just us talking at the right time and right circumstances.

[maccaz]

6 minutes ago, BeastBuilder said:

 

Lol kinda went off on a tangent but I meant to say that basically I didn't actively look for an overseas coach over an NZ coach, just happened to work out that way. Wasn't even looking for a coach so I guess it was just us talking at the right time and right circumstances.

this. good cliffs.

its all the same if online. face to face different obviously.

[BeastBuilder]

Just now, maccaz said:

this. good cliffs.

its all the same if online. face to face different obviously.

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's all the same online, there's still good and bad coaches, smart and stupid, good programming and bad, good technique and bad, cookie cutters and personalised, approachable and distant, the list goes on.

 

I think you would definitely get more out of the same coach in person than  online for sure.

 

I agree with what someone said before in that quite often what people get the most out of having a coach is accountability and sticking to a programme longer than a week, even if they don't listen to the technical advices or the advice is not that great, following the numbers for a good ten or twelve week block yeilds at least some gains and then they chuff their pants and scream praises over social media etc.

 

There's a lot of bad coaches who have no business giving advice to people, a few good coaches and very few great coaches.

[maccaz]

6 minutes ago, BeastBuilder said:

 

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's all the same online, there's still good and bad coaches, smart and stupid, good programming and bad, good technique and bad, cookie cutters and personalised, approachable and distant, the list goes on.

 

I think you would definitely get more out of the same coach in person than  online for sure.

 

I agree with what someone said before in that quite often what people get the most out of having a coach is accountability and sticking to a programme longer than a week, even if they don't listen to the technical advices or the advice is not that great, following the numbers for a good ten or twelve week block yeilds at least some gains and then they chuff their pants and scream praises over social media etc.

 

There's a lot of bad coaches who have no business giving advice to people, a few good coaches and very few great coaches.

oh nah i meant its all the same as in what country they're in. good coach in alaska good as good coach in sydney or good coach in auckland, for me who is based in melbourne

[BeastBuilder]

Just now, maccaz said:

oh nah i meant its all the same as in what country they're in. good coach in alaska good as good coach in sydney or good coach in auckland, for me who is based in melbourne

 

Oh right yup agree with that.

Online is online.

Only difference on location could be their potential to be at competitions for you depending how far they have to travel etc.

Totally agree though with what you mean now I re-read it lol

[Michael Knight]

One thing is for sure in the fitness industry, a fool and his money are soon parted. 

[HarryB]

Does anyone else think that the way a lifter is cycling his gear is something that should be taken into account when programming? Making that lifters programming quite different from that of a natural lifter? It's all well and good to have a whole lot of volume and close to maximal lifting going on as long as you're taking the gms required to sustain recovery etc etc etc 

 

For example my brother trained with me for years but is a lifetime natural so couldn't sustain the volume or intensity techniques I could for very long. So he would do a shortened version of what I did. Less sets and less forced reps, drop sets or whatever else I was doing at the time. 

 

Now I often wonder if someone is selling a system or specific programme do they also have the conversation about the gear... or do they just ignore that aspect and sell you a system that essentially won't work because they didn't tell you about something that contributes greatly to its effectiveness. Like a bodybuilder telling you how they dried out for their last comp eating rice cakes but doesn't tell you about the diuretics.... 

[Wookie]

I always ask re gear. It has to be taken into account.

[maccaz]

i think a coach should always know (so ask if they need to, or not if they already know) whether someone is natty or not. 

its a big factor, steroids make you recover faster and able to handle more training volume.

 

I believe even boris sheiko has said the only think he wants to know about steroids, is whether a lifter is on them or not. he takes that into account but specifically doesnt want to know any specifics. this is probably because he coaches people in the ipf so doesnt want to give advice.

 

 

[HarryB]

Well its interesting to me because I'm sure they have peaking protocols and out of competition protocols etc etc etc 

[PETN]

1 hour ago, HarryB said:

Well its interesting to me because I'm sure they have peaking protocols and out of competition protocols etc etc etc 

 

Yeah i would think there would be a huge difference between someone pinning 300mg/week of test every week compared to someone ramping up to 3g plus orals or whatever for their comp. Not entirely sure people do this but seems likely

[HarryB]

Abolsutely. Test suspension on the day and I used to read about guys using hcg in the 2 weeks preceding PL meets as well. Those things can play a major role in performance. 

 

[PETN]

How does 2 weeks of HCG pre-comp improve performance?

[HarryB]

3 minutes ago, PETN said:

How does 2 weeks of HCG pre-comp improve performance?

 

Well the theory was you'd bump your endogenous test while you were full of exogenous test and have more test. That was the idea. Not something you'd do long term but it was something I read about powerlifters doing in the 80s and 90s. 

[PETN]

1 minute ago, HarryB said:

 

Well the theory was you'd bump your endogenous test while you were full of exogenous test and have more test. That was the idea. Not something you'd do long term but it was something I read about powerlifters doing in the 80s and 90s. 

 

Interesting never heard of that before. I would have thought it would be much easier to just pin more test

[HarryB]

Well I guess there's a point where you're not getting anything from taking more test? Who knows. I'll see if I can find anything on it that remotely resembles something other than hearsay and brought science :)