1st tren cycle

[bang_bang]

Looking at using tren for the first time because I want to get considerably stronger for my next meet while dropping/maintaining my body weight and tren seems to be the best drug to do that. 

 

I've been doing some reading and there is a lot of conflicting info out there so I'd be keen to hear some of your guys experience with it. Feel free to pm if you don't want to discuss openly.

 

 

At this stage I'm looking at doing 

100mg tren ace and 100mg test prop eod for 10 weeks.  

 

I think my endocrine system is probably shot but I'll be doing a decent pct and taking the rest of the year off gear after this cycle to see to what extent I can recover.  

[kiwicannon]

Speaking from personal experience with Tren Ace its a love hate drug , 8-10wks was the sweet spot for me.

 

I've run 12-14wks on this drug and one side effect that affected me the most was constantly being irritable and increased aggression, i was a c**t to be around, mentally exhausted! had many arguments with the missus over nothing! I'm not the most mentally stable person to begin with but bro Tren will really test you! but as you know everyone responds differently.

 

Normal sides inc Insomnia, insane night sweats, 

 

8-10 sounds good bro

 

 

[bang_bang]

Sweet what ratio do you run test? Also for someone used to using around a gram will 700mg be enough? I guess I can bump it up if I react ok. 

[kiwicannon]

2 hours ago, bang_bang said:

Sweet what ratio do you run test? Also for someone used to using around a gram will 700mg be enough? I guess I can bump it up if I react ok. 

Yeah bro 700mg Test is plenty, I was on low Test 150mg Prop wk i had come off a high Test E cycle so added Prop and introduced the Tren A at 50ed then upped it to 75mg ed 

 

Trens x5 times stronger then Test,  rating is 500 andro /  500 anabolic.

 

You can always adjust if needed bro

[PETN]

Think he meant 700mg all up (tren+test). I found 700 test 500 tren worked good. Id pin ED though if i was you. Unsure reason for test prop being used too as its usually more expensive on a mg-mg of test basis.

 

Personally not going to waste my time on tren again. Rather run 1g test and perhaps cycle on and off orals than any of the above but that's just my preference.

[bang_bang]

Yeah I didn't word that well I meant 700mg and a gram total, not just test. 

 

I get my gear cheap so price isn't an issue. Could use sus instead I guess? That would reduce the amount I need to pin. Why do you not like tren? Do you get bad mental sides from it? You seem like a bit of a loose cannon as it is (no offence lol)  

[PETN]

Nah nothing mental. I reckon thats a grossly exaggerated load of shit right up there with 'roid rage'.

 

Just find it harder to sleep at times and i usually lose my appetite on it after a few weeks similar to with orals and gives me worse back acne than test. Oh and it gives me gyno (npp does too but to a lesser extent) which seems to mostly dissapear on test alone.

 

You could be one of the luckier ppl who dont get any significant sides from it though.

 

Id go for whatever is the least amount of oil to pin although the 350mg of each you suggested isnt going to be an issue in this respect either way.

[bang_bang]

I get bad acne on deca so I'd say tren will do the same. It doesn't go away even after cycle until I use eq. I've got a couple of vials eq left I wonder if I should chuck in 200mg pw to see if it helps. 

 

I reckon pinning is going to be the hardest part for me I struggle to do it twice a week let alone 3-4. Gonna have to use a few new sites. I'm thinking left shoulder, quad, glute then same on right side. 

[maccaz]

Just now, bang_bang said:

I get bad acne on deca so I'd say tren will do the same. It doesn't go away even after cycle until I use eq. I've got a couple of vials eq left I wonder if I should chuck in 200mg pw to see if it helps. 

 

I reckon pinning is going to be the hardest part for me I struggle to do it twice a week let alone 3-4. Gonna have to use a few new sites. I'm thinking left shoulder, quad, glute then same on right side. 

buzzy so eq fixes your skin?

yeah pinning shit, especially prop and ace with a bit of sting to them

[bang_bang]

Yep without a doubt, had it happen 3 times.

[PETN]

I dont especially like pinning either but i reckon irrespective of ester that youre better off doing multiple smaller injections rather than a few large ones.

 

Main reason is that oil is able to dissapate much faster from smaller injection as surface area:volume ratio is higher with many smaller volumes rather than one large volume. Basically means youre less likely to have residual oil remaining from previous injections in that area which im pretty sure was a significant (main) contributing factor to the infection i had.

 

Secondarily youll have more stable hormone levels and i reckon smaller injections hurt less/for less long.

[woody]

On 4/6/2016 at 2:23 PM, bang_bang said:

Sweet what ratio do you run test? Also for someone used to using around a gram will 700mg be enough? I guess I can bump it up if I react ok. 

i found running the higher test{around 800}made the cycle more tolerable,at a low test i was tired alot and tbh was pleased when the cycle was over,suprisingly as far as gains ,thers wasnt much in it using a low or high test dose.side became much more apparent over 700 of test,always on edge and increase in sensitvity to temperature changes,as well as some pretty bad nights of poor sleep and sweats.

[PETN]

2 minutes ago, woody said:

i found running the higher test{around 800}made the cycle more tolerable,at a low test i was tired alot and tbh was pleased when the cycle was over,suprisingly as far as gains ,thers wasnt much in it using a low or high test dose.side became much more apparent over 700 of test,always on edge and increase in sensitvity to temperature changes,as well as some pretty bad nights of poor sleep and sweats.

How much tren were you taking?

[woody]

settled at 700 ,over that and the sides were to uncomfortable,i always run tren a.not liking the idea of being :stuck with the posibility of some pretty untolerable sides. more than a few days.some seem to tolerate tren fine,others it can become a real nightmare.

[MiltonFriedman01]

Can someone tell me if the mental/personality side effects of tren can be controlled by controlling your prolactin/estrogen levels? I wanna try Tren but am concerned about becoming an asshole at work as I am not the most patient individual when it comes to office politics. 

[PETN]

No can't be controlled at all really. Best thing to do if you're going to use is find a really good lawyer who can likely get you off the rape and assault charges that you will almost inevitably have accumulate against you.

 

Only other way to control it is to jerk off every half hour or so in work/public/home toilets so as that increases prolactin which inhibits sexual function/desire. Good chance this will give you gyno though so probably just go with the lawyer.

[MiltonFriedman01]

29 minutes ago, PETN said:

No can't be controlled at all really. Best thing to do if you're going to use is find a really good lawyer who can likely get you off the rape and assault charges that you will almost inevitably have accumulate against you.

 

Only other way to control it is to jerk off every half hour or so in work/public/home toilets so as that increases prolactin which inhibits sexual function/desire. Good chance this will give you gyno though so probably just go with the lawyer.

 

That bad? Dam. 

 

I think I will stay well clear, hell even Testosterone at doses over 500mg per week fucks with my personality to some extent. Low/modest dose long duration blasts of Eq and Mast it is then :) Everytime I weight up the pro's and con's Eq always seems to come out on top, such an awesome compound. That or find someone who can supply Tren base and just use it before bed to drop weight over night :D

 

Thanks for the info on jerking off increasing prolactin to, never knew that. 

 

 

[woody]

the "roid rage"type side effects of tren are so exagerated.if your a in control type person normally you wont turn into a monster through tren use.i found even at high doses.if you keep in mind your "on"and need to show some restraint at times your all good.wouldnt go making any life changing decisions however when your on a tren cycle.

agree about eq,an underated steroid by many..

[bang_bang]

Unless you've been severely tempted to bash someone at work prior to using tren, it probably won't make you do it.

 

I'm loving it so far it's made me more outgoing and assertive/confident. Horny as f*ck if I was single I'd be on a fucking rampage lol. Makes me feel great. I think the hardest part mentally will be coming off because it makes you feel and look so good. 

 

[maccaz]

24 minutes ago, bang_bang said:

Unless you've been severely tempted to bash someone at work prior to using tren, it probably won't make you do it.

 

I'm loving it so far it's made me more outgoing and assertive/confident. Horny as f*ck if I was single I'd be on a fucking rampage lol. Makes me feel great. I think the hardest part mentally will be coming off because it makes you feel and look so good. 

 

 

This is my experience also. Sexual predator. Confidence. Feel good. Strength gains. 

 

Shorter fuse but as long you're not an animal in the first place you can easily keep that under control. More likely to yell at other car in traffic than punch a coworker lol 

[MiltonFriedman01]

3 hours ago, maccaz said:

 

This is my experience also. Sexual predator. Confidence. Feel good. Strength gains. 

 

Shorter fuse but as long you're not an animal in the first place you can easily keep that under control. More likely to yell at other car in traffic than punch a coworker lol 

 

Unfortunately I am not the most calm or patient person so I mite stay away from Tren in the short term until I am in a situation that allows me to control more of my daily activities (either self employed, employed in a less social role, or not in an office with a lot of women/emasculated men like I currently am) and live in a flat on my own or with friends who either know about my usage or have known me for awhile.

 

Not to say that I am an asshole, just I am opinionated and very straight up, especially when it comes to economics or politics (hence me user name :D ). 

 

What are your experiences of tren in regards to diet? I wish there was human research on it as the vet research seems to show an inhibiting of de novo lipogenesis so it would make sense to run a high carb very low fat diet on Tren if that were true.  

[Realtalk]

What are your economic and political views? 

[beefneggs]

He is a conservative christian , who likes john key and believes in Yemens economic principles 

[beefneggs]

What are your experiences of tren in regards to diet? I wish there was human research on it as the vet research seems to show an inhibiting of de novo lipogenesis so it would make sense to run a high carb very low fat diet on Tren if that were true

 

I used 900 mg a week tren hex only and ate no carbs , high fat.......did alright compared to 600mg tren e and 250-300 mg a week test e eating carbs

[MiltonFriedman01]

1 hour ago, Realtalk said:

What are your economic and political views? 

 

I am not overly keen on the labels given to people in regards to political views (eg liberal, conservative, libertarian, etc) as I agree with Milton Friedman when he said it often restricts your thinking to the prescribed views on such groups, as many Christians who were open to gay marriage long before the church was officially open to it yet were not vocal about in socially in fear of social pressure from there friends. 

 

That being said I would describe myself as a mixture between a libertarian and classical liberal as don't believe anyone has the right to determine what it is you do with your body, assuming you don't negatively effect other members of society. I don't support the idea of socialized medicine, socialized education, the welfare state or many of the other countless roles the government seems to hold. In my view the government has three services to provide which are: Defence (Eg The role of the army, navy and airforce), policing of the law (Police, border security, and maritime security), and the legal system in its true form which is to protect the liberty of society. By liberty I mean the right to do, think and speak however an individual wishes as long as they don't breach the rights of their fellow man or women). The current state of bureaucratic bullshit is almost impossible to comprehend in most west societies to the point where the government has almost become the role of enforcer for both a small minority of elite and which ever mob is the largest in any given voting cycle (EG Occupation Health and Safety). I would support the introduction of a flat tax as I believe the current tax system is absolutely ridiculous where a more productive individual is taxed at a higher rate simply for being more productive (I am saying this as a 24 y/o currently works in an entry level position). For example if you are a CEO or work in a very valuable position with years of experience and earn 150,000 per year why the hell should you pay 30% (or w/e it currently is) when someone far less productive, intelligent, and capable only pays 15% on their $45,000 income. So with the introduction of a flat tax of perhaps 15% the higher earn still pays more (22,500) compared with the lower earner (6750) however is not unfairly penalized for his productivity. The mere fact that so many people in society are almost economically illiterate is a testimony to the state of government schooling and the almost unquestioned power held by the teachers union (including University, which has become a breeding ground for left leaning ideas in many of the subjects taught). 

 

In regards to a more descriptive explanation of my economic and poltical views I would refer you to the books from people like Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, John Stossel, Charles Murray, James Watson, etc. 

 

One last point I would like to make is that of immigration. There are two ways to approach immigration, which are either you have a firm policy in place to prevent unproductive or uncontrolled numbers of foreigners entering your society (similar to the new policy of Australia where you are required to earn $50,000 or more for 3 years before you are eligible for such social benefits as welfare, public health care, etc). Alternatively open the borders and eliminate the availability of the welfare state, social medicine, etc which will prevent the majority of leeches who would otherwise enter your country (Like can be currently seen in Sweden and Germany with a huge influx of immigrants, many of who expect handouts from government, are illiterate (Sometimes even in their OWN LANGAUGE), and have incompatible cultures with western society (For more info on this just read the quran and tell me it is a book that portrays beliefs  that fit with the current views of western society). Although I don't agree with a number of Donald Trumps views I do have a strong dislike for the media establishment who are the champions of spinning bullshit and framing everything to support their own ideals. So although I would prefer the latter of the two options above, the problem you face is democracy is a populist form of governance where what people will believe and/or agree with is often more important then the reality so I like the fact he has at least gone with one of these options. In addition proposing a temporary ban or limitation is understandable given the difficulties of screening many of those who enter the US from middle eastern countries so it would make sense to slow the movement of immigrants until you can better screen those entering inorder to avoid negative outcomes. 

 

I would be keen to continue however feel like if I did my post would almost certainly be removed for going against the topic of this thread. 

 

Still considering Tren, Anyone ever tried Tren base? (No ester attached, often used by strength athletes for weight loss and pre competition strength when avoiding drug tests).