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GPC lifting order question

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My question is specific to gpc comps.

 

Say you have only 4 lifters at a comp, X, Y, and Z, A.

 

X opens on squats with 200kg,

Y opens with 210kg

Z opens 220kg.

A opens with 225kg.

 

Obviously lifting order is going to be X, Y, Z, A which is lightest lift to heaviest. 

 

On their 2nd attempts:

 

X attempts 250kg

Y attempts 230kg

Z also attempts 250kg

A attempts 225kg again as he failed it on opener.

 

 

What is the order that the lifts are attempted for these 2nd lifts? Like does it stay same order as with openers or does it go lightest to heaviest? And if the latter is the case does that mean A is going to get like 2min rest lol?

 

Also what determines who goes first out of X and Z who are attempting the same weight?

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Yea so the order would change for the second round.

If A was following himself there is a five minute break I believe so he gets a rest,  very unlikely to have four people in a flight but yea that can happen.

 

Also if the attempts are the same in the squat like you have put then X would go first then Z as X's subtotal at that stage of the comp is lower. Same in Bench and Deads, whoever has the highest subtotal at that stage will go after, gives the advantage to the person who has lifted more already if that makes sense ?

 

If their subtotals are same then it would go off bodyweight, the heavier person going first as technically the lighter person is winning at that stage.

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9 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

Just gonna jump in on this thread with a random question.  I'm probably unable to bench at Auckland qualifiers due to injury but want to go to nats.  Is there a minimum requirement I need to bench to still qualify?  

Think you just gotta post a total bro. Bench the bar lol

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2 hours ago, BeastBuilder said:

Yea so the order would change for the second round.

If A was following himself there is a five minute break I believe so he gets a rest,  very unlikely to have four people in a flight but yea that can happen.

 

Also if the attempts are the same in the squat like you have put then X would go first then Z as X's subtotal at that stage of the comp is lower. Same in Bench and Deads, whoever has the highest subtotal at that stage will go after, gives the advantage to the person who has lifted more already if that makes sense ?

 

If their subtotals are same then it would go off bodyweight, the heavier person going first as technically the lighter person is winning at that stage.

 

Yeah bro answers my question perfectly.

 

Just to clarify, the subtotal stuff youre talking about only comes into effect if the attempts for that lift are exactly the same in that round though eh?

 

Like someone who squatted 200kg but who is attempting a 150kg bench will still do their bench before the guy who squatted 180kg but is attempting a 160kg bench in the same round. Correct?

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Subtotal is just what total the lifter has at that stage with their best lifts in each discipline they have completed.

So since your example was Squats the only part of the total any of the lifters would have is any previous Squat attempts.

With Bench yes the order goes to lightest to heaviest again.

For example though to carry on with your example, if lifter X has squatted 220kg and lifter Y has squatted 250kg but they're both opening on a 160kg Bench attempt then lifter X will be first then lifter Y.

But if, for example, lifter X makes the attempt and lifter Y misses and they both increase their second attempt to 175kg, lifter Y would go first and lifter X next because lifter Y's subtotal is only 250kg whereas lifter X's is 380kg.

 

Does that make sense ?

 

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Rising bar. Each of the 3 lifts is separate. The order of lifters resets after each lift is completed. When I say lift I am referring to lifts not attempts. Generally the order of lifters remains the pretty much the same through the 3 attempts at Gpc NZ comps. You'll get the hang of it pretty fast. 

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Yeah makes sense now BeastBuilder and realtalk. Doing comp in a week and gonna be opening really light just to secure a total (200/170/290 ish) then going for comp PRs on all 2nd lifts (260/200/340) which will be approx 140kg higher total compared to openers so guessing order will change quite a bit. More rest is good.

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1 hour ago, PETN said:

Yeah makes sense now BeastBuilder and realtalk. Doing comp in a week and gonna be opening really light just to secure a total (200/170/290 ish) then going for comp PRs on all 2nd lifts (260/200/340) which will be approx 140kg higher total compared to openers so guessing order will change quite a bit. More rest is good.

 

Sounds like a great way to be disappointed.

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18 minutes ago, nate225 said:

Huge jumps tho I once saw Derek go 100, 200, 300 in squats lol

 

Ethan F did that on deadlifts at the bop nzpf comp I spot/loaded at last year lol I was saying generally. At the comp I am doing in 2 weeks I can almost guarantee the men's Attempts will run the same order for each lift give or take a couple changes.

2 minutes ago, soundsgood said:

 

What jumps do you recommend? 

 

Personally I jump about 40-50 on squat / 20ish on bench and 30 on Deads 

 

You went 20 on squats at pr, 15 on bench and 20 on deads didn't you?

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Its not even the amount its jumping from essentially a warm up weight to something in excess of your PB.

 

Hamish you would never open on 310 or 320 then jump 40-50kg to a 360 PB squat on your 2nd. Unless you truly didnt really care about getting a total... or you figured you had 375-380 on a 3rd.

In which case why open at 310?

 

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4 minutes ago, soundsgood said:

Shit sorry guys didn't even read the thread sorry.  I thought we were talking opener to 3rd.  Yep you guys right.  I was hoping to go jump 332.5 to 365 on squats not that it matters after what happened 

 

Your heads screwed on well, was surprised at your comment...all good.

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3 hours ago, Wookie said:

 

Sounds like a great way to be disappointed.

 

All i have to do is post a total to qualify for NZ GPC nationals. That is 95% of why I'm doing the comp. 

 

Im flying in leaving midnight, arriving 5am Saturday then weighing in that morning. As soon as i can check on going to go to hotel room and sleep til whatever time i have to get up sunday. I leave again sunday night after comp finishes arriving home midnight. Then work next day. Gonna be shit lol.

 

Doesnt really matter if i dont get any of the 2nd attempts as any lighter and ill really just be doing lifts ive already done before. Ill be equally dissapointed to fail the 2nd attempts i have planned as i would be to not PB in them. I dont care about PBing a total unless i get all 3 2nd attempts as this is 800 which is my goal for mid year. 

 

Rather have a crack at these lifts relatively fresh than fatigued from previous heavy lifts. Will possibly change plan on the day though depending how i feel but not that likely.

 

Probably wont be doing any 3rd attempts. And yeah im aware of the probability of getting all 3 2nd lifts. Yolo.

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