might be anorexic?

[PETN]

How much were you actually trying to eat?

 

I would attribute my lack of appetite mostly to various drug use. Orals in particular absolutely wreck ability to eat.I wouldnt say it was normal at all and it's inconsistent with the appetite i had prior to taking shit. 

 

Its hard to tell but from your write up it sounds like you arent just being a pussy and also arent eating ridiculous amounts before throwing up. I have never actually thrown up from eating half of a meal or any amount of food and i dont think its normal to actually throw up or even to feel sick if youve only eaten a small amount. 

 

I do (feel sick/unable to eat) when taking orals especially but id say my liver would be pretty fucked at those times and thats when its time to stop, as not going to gain anything if you cant eat.

 

Seems like it might actually be symptoms of some serious underlying medical condition and if i was you id be finding a doctor who's not a useless c*nt or yeah seeing that specialist.

 

[Realtalk]

Post daily intake and when feel sick etc. Log it man, no one knows what you're even talking about including me.. How much food we talking?

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

I don't log my food every day because pain in the ass , usually just spread it out so I have a big picture idea that i'm definitely eating enough. every day is pretty consistent as long as I'm consciously aware that I need to force food in (if I don't think about it then I can go an entire day with no food, only thing i can't skip is water because headaches will remind me that i'm dehydrated).

 

Screenshots below showing an average day on my bulking diet, i never go far above this, approx 3000 cal daily intake since 12th March.  As you can see it's not super clean but also not super dirty.  Lamb in that example but usually chicken is my go-to. Sick of taste/smell of Tuna atm.

 

As far as I can tell, it's not any particular kind of food that causes issues for me, i can wake up on an empty stomach and feel like puking, it can come on in the middle of a meal or suddenly couple hours after. It's also usually accompanied with a very high heart rate is something i noticed recently, but that might just be because I know shits about to go down and my body is responding with adrenaline.  It was more rare when I was overseas and I was definitely not under-eating there, so maybe it's also slightly related to stress levels. I don't take Orals and not sure any of this coming from the Liver but can give Liver detox a go if that might be a trigger.

 

 

 

also stopped doing cardio, if i kept playing basketball and biking then i would be losing weight even on this diet lol. slightly wicked metabolism, i know people who eat less than me and weigh more regardless of whether i do cardio or not.

[Realtalk]

Bro I know I have you some diet advice but but that's completely what I didn't mean. I can see how you may have gotten a little confused. But I would pretty much overhaul that whole thing and it would still be just as easy and convenient and I know that because I do it. You have like no protein there. You got 158g but it's not good protein and won't build anything resembling muscle. Your lamb and protein shake is only good protein. That thing is counting your protein from the trumpet and the white bread which is why I don't use those calculators and another reason right here why a calorie is not a calorie and a macro is not a macro.

 

let me explain here tonight what i would do and what I was meaning for you to do. Firstly eat oats for breakfast not white bread and margarine... No wonder you feel sick! Lol.

 

breakfast supposedly gave you 760cal as energy. That wouldn't give me any energy, make me wanna throw up first then go to sleep. But you could eat half of those calories from other foods and have twice as much energy in reality. Paper doesn't mean shit.

 

when I said log I wasn't referring to recording I just meant log it for us to see but you just done it. Not ripping into you, I'll post later tonight try help you and explain what I actually meant when I gave you advice 

[maccaz]

jesus mate may as well be gyzz diet haha i would have steered you a bit straighter if id known it was this bad.

 

meat (or protein powder)  + good carb (oats/rice or similar) for each meal

 

meal 1 - protein + carb

meal 2 - protein  + carb

meal 3 - protein  + carb

meal 4 - protein + carb

meal 5 - protein + carb

 

no dhal thats useless

no mcdonalds (altho that is my namesake and i dont always practice what i preach, i certainly dont have trouble gaining weight)

 

only count the protein in the actual protein items

 

cheaper that way too

 

 

get a lot more protein, from better sources

 

doesnt have to be so many meals either as long as ur eating enough

 

 

 

 

[maccaz]

the symptoms you are describing sound to me like anxiety. go to the doctor, raise that as a possibility.

seems plausible given you've been feeling shit lately.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

lol thanks guys. i'm now aware that i'm on that gyzzbrah diet.

 

@maccaz the reason i split to multi meals is i cant eat that much in 1 sitting, so snacking makes up for it. also dahl wasn't my lunch i just mislogged mcdonalds in to lunch field so put dahl as lunch instead of snack lol.

 

i acknowledge that i should change my protein sources and will make attempt to do that. can also change to oats in morning for what it's worth, but my stomach doesn't play that well with milk (always a bit of a gamble what will happen after a bowl of oats lol) which is why i have bread. i could switch to rice but then that becomes 3 out of 3 main meals rice based.  really open to suggestions on diet in general, esp if what i'm eating is crap and could be the real cause behind all this

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

5 minutes ago, maccaz said:

the symptoms you are describing sound to me like anxiety. go to the doctor, raise that as a possibility.

seems plausible given you've been feeling shit lately.

but bro wont those fgts just put me on some meds that gyzzbrah is on? there are many better endings i can think of than to become addicted to those drugs

[maccaz]

Eat properly bro ur not stupid haha 

[PETN]

Eat your oats with protein powder and water. You dont need milk. I prefer the taste of milk but i cant be fucked wasting space in fridge and electricity storing and chilling milk  so i just use water and it tastes fine.

 

I normally have 3 servings protein + 250g oats as a meal and its pretty easy to get down i reckon. Much more so than a meal from McDonald's. If you did only that twice a day youd probably already be better off than you are now. 

 

Agree with other guys about that diet being fucking terrible.

[Realtalk]

Bro I told you to drink milk as before bed meal with protein powder you said yeah. If you had said nah then I would have given another alternative.

 

ok so, what I was saying to you which you obviously forgot. There are 3 opportunities to eat during the day

 

The first is breakfast, everyone has time for breakfast. If you don't get up earlier so you do have time.

 

then there is lunch, it's your right and your employers legal obligation to give you a lunch break of 30mins minimum. So you have time to eat something good.

 

the third is dinner and well everyone eats dinner. 

 

Those 3 meals are to be the biggest and most important you want to try and get your daily macronutrient targets achieved from those 3 meals, most importantly your protein. I say protein because when you are counting daily protein intake on a calculator it's taking into account incomplete proteins not quality complete proteins. Soy and vegetable sources of protein are not what you want to build muscle. So anyway those 3 meals should contain your protein needs. Which means if you need 160g of protein a day then you want 53g of protein in each of those meals (not a difficult thing to do) 180g of chicken breast is around 55g of protein. So for breakfast, eggs, protein powder, bacon. A bit of each of those 3 would easily yield you your protein for that meal. Ok so, same for carbs good wholesome carbs oats, weetbix muesli even if you don't care about sugar. lunch and dinner you got rice, potatoe, kumara. I find fats pretty much take care of themselves in egg yolks, oils, and all that other shit.

 

now that's your 3 meals. To up the calorie intake and take you into a surplus you have easy foods I was talking to you about these are foods you can eat at your desk or on the go and don't need time to prepare. They are easy and fast to eat and are to be used as foods in between meals it on top of meals to bring calories up. Yogurts, banana, muesli bars, peanut butter sandwich (but with whole meal bread and no margarine, you earn good money. Wtf if this white bread and marg shit) or get some corn thins and smother it with PB, raisins, nuts, protein shake walk up and down isles and you'll see all the stuff. These other foods or snacks whatever you call them are going to take you into surplus and will add to your c/p/f totals... And see where I'm going with all of this... You'll grow!

 

If it's truly what you want then put some effort into it man. You get out what you put in.

[GyzzBrah]

2 hours ago, FellowshipOfTheRon said:

but bro wont those fgts just put me on some meds that gyzzbrah is on? there are many better endings i can think of than to become addicted to those drugs

 

No they wont lol. Anxiety / Depression does not always need a medical solution. Just go see them once and make a decision from there.

 

 

 

[Realtalk]

21 days, it takes 21 days for an action to become a habit. You've taken that step, it's now or never man. All in or nothing. That current diet just won't cut it. There's no excuses so stop looking for one, you just gotta commit and do it. Eat the food, if you're sick of rice then don't eat rice eat something else. I wanna see results man not theories on why you can't eat. Let's do it!

[maccaz]

Gyzz dont post in this thread again. 

 

Fotr : what tom said. Youll be sweet mate just take it on board. 

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

1 hour ago, Realtalk said:

Bro I told you to drink milk as before bed meal with protein powder you said yeah. If you had said nah then I would have given another alternative.

 

ok so, what I was saying to you which you obviously forgot. There are 3 opportunities to eat during the day

 

The first is breakfast, everyone has time for breakfast. If you don't get up earlier so you do have time.

 

then there is lunch, it's your right and your employers legal obligation to give you a lunch break of 30mins minimum. So you have time to eat something good.

 

the third is dinner and well everyone eats dinner. 

 

Those 3 meals are to be the biggest and most important you want to try and get your daily macronutrient targets achieved from those 3 meals, most importantly your protein. I say protein because when you are counting daily protein intake on a calculator it's taking into account incomplete proteins not quality complete proteins. Soy and vegetable sources of protein are not what you want to build muscle. So anyway those 3 meals should contain your protein needs. Which means if you need 160g of protein a day then you want 53g of protein in each of those meals (not a difficult thing to do) 180g of chicken breast is around 55g of protein. So for breakfast, eggs, protein powder, bacon. A bit of each of those 3 would easily yield you your protein for that meal. Ok so, same for carbs good wholesome carbs oats, weetbix muesli even if you don't care about sugar. lunch and dinner you got rice, potatoe, kumara. I find fats pretty much take care of themselves in egg yolks, oils, and all that other shit.

 

now that's your 3 meals. To up the calorie intake and take you into a surplus you have easy foods I was talking to you about these are foods you can eat at your desk or on the go and don't need time to prepare. They are easy and fast to eat and are to be used as foods in between meals it on top of meals to bring calories up. Yogurts, banana, muesli bars, peanut butter sandwich (but with whole meal bread and no margarine, you earn good money. Wtf if this white bread and marg shit) or get some corn thins and smother it with PB, raisins, nuts, protein shake walk up and down isles and you'll see all the stuff. These other foods or snacks whatever you call them are going to take you into surplus and will add to your c/p/f totals... And see where I'm going with all of this... You'll grow!

 

If it's truly what you want then put some effort into it man. You get out what you put in.

 

lol thanks man think i botched it up. was genuinely trying to follow your advice but i have wildly misinterpreted haha. on the same page as you now i think, defs wanna see results and will do whatever i need to to see them, f*ck im already swallowing my vomit back in just to make sure i dont lose those gains.. the other day i was at my dinner table eating and it came out on to my plate with no warning i took it back in, so desperate ill do anything lol, very determined for results just had no idea how badly i been screwing this up.

 

thought you said milk or yoghurt, so i have yoghurt almost every single day before bed shortly after the protein shake, i can switch to 2 scoops protein on that one too so 50g protein. can probs put in a glass of milk here too i reckon, before bed gas and bloating at night while i sleep no issues. wouldn't do milk for breakfast tho (but i can try and see how it is anyway instead of making excuses)

 

do you agree that around 160g protein all good for me in a day or should i aim higher?

 

last few days i been doing below for lunch, and again for dinner. less lazy than other options as i'm cooking myself and the cals (at least i think) are more useful. i don't have to go to brown rice tho do i? i can eat a cup of white rice, sometimes 2 as if it's nothing long as im in the mood for eating. brown rice somehow makes me full so quick.

• 1 cup cooked white rice (plan on ramping this up as stomach capacity increases)
• 100-150g chicken breast
• tom yum paste (not sure how many cals in that so i just take anything i get from it as a bonus)
• mixed veges if i can be fked, but if i have the stomach space i rather fill it with more rice.
• olive oils there too but its pretty negligible

 

with my bread basically margarine was just a way to get in extra fat, so i layered it like this : bread -> margargine -> pb -> jam , i guess it's all crap then but it was like my cheaters way of getting massive cals in with minimal stomach space lol.  will replace breakfast with oats and protein powder + water then, no more bread and margarine lol. peanut butter i will still have for the extra fat, maybe just on a spoon or something that's fine right?

 

snacks at work i bought a bunch of these 'natures fresh baked oaty slices' , got like 10 boxes sitting here 175 cals a bar, so if i eat 3 of those during the day that's some easy carb right there. reckon i need healther museli bars tho? can get better ones once these boxes are finished. for home i got a shit load of tiptop ice cream blocks in the freezer for snacking, should i pick a healthier snack? i'm not a sweet type person but this particular ice cream i can take in real easy no issues.

 

so motivated seeing results too, weighed myself today, up to 61.7 now. +4.4kg in 14 days, biceps/triceps, forearms, calves and delts look way fuller now, ab visibility same as when i started. if i fix my diet it can only get better from here, bring on the next 14 days! :D

[Realtalk]

It's just example bro, if you don't like milk because it makes you feel shitty don't have it. Simple, you might be lactose intolerant I dunno. I give general guides, not telling you what you have to eat. No food is a must eat, just like no food is a mustn't eat. 

 

I said yogurt for during day. Or whoever actually. It's $6-7 for a 6 pack of yogurts if you neck back two of those that's 300 calories and his easy is that to do. It all adds up. You have 3 snacks like that a day (not 6 yogurts but similar) that's 900 calories. But you MUST eat those 3 nutritious meals with good quality protein and carbs. Basically eat those 3 meals then eat what you want in between. don't make it complicated man

[Realtalk]

And over 4kg in 2 weeks... What's the problem exactly? Lol.

 

yes I think that's enough protein, if it's from good sources. So lean meats. No rice colour doesn't mean anything exactly the same. Only difference is white rice is taken out of the rusk brown isn't, brown has slightly more vit/min. Low glycemic index but that doesn't mean shit when you eating it with out foods GI rating is old fashion and worthless following for you. Eat white rice. Eat the peanut butter however you want your body not care how you eat it.

 

the rest fine and you're confusing me man lol eat and train hard.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

5 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

And over 4kg in 2 weeks... What's the problem exactly? Lol.

 

yes I think that's enough protein, if it's from good sources. So lean meats. No rice colour doesn't mean anything exactly the same. Only difference is white rice is taken out of the rusk brown isn't, brown has slightly more vit/min. Low glycemic index but that doesn't mean shit when you eating it with out foods GI rating is old fashion and worthless following for you. Eat white rice. Eat the peanut butter however you want your body not care how you eat it.

 

the rest fine and you're confusing me man lol eat and train hard.

 

ya man im sure im eating enough, the sources aren't clean and probably incomplete but the growth is there.  ppl changed the topic of my thread from how im feeling to what im eating (which might all be related in the end).  still you guys are right, i can and will change things up for the better, the advice is not wasted!

 

my main learnings from all advice on this thread :

• issues im having is possibly medical but also related to me eating shitty as you've all pointed out.
• ill see a professional about the medical issues
• i will fix my breakfast, getting rid of the white bread etc.
• my lunch and dinner already fixed since i found a bunch of pastes to make easy dinners with at good price at countodnw - tomyum pastes, thai red curry, green curry etc.  just cook meat, add paste and rice, eat.
• if i eat the right, complete foods i might not need to try eat as much, therefore not feeling like shit all the time? kinda makes sense but not sure. all along i only looked at macros rather than micros.