First Cycle

[HarryB]

So you think a guy can't grow and get leaner at the same time? My experience tells me that if it's his first cycle and he's a pork chop, if he eats clean and trains hard he will gain and get leaner. Now his overall bw may not increase but his LBM will as well as his strength and performance. It's just a different way of doing things what suits you specifically but that's the thing. People respond differently and what they want to achieve is also another key factor as SG added. 

[woody]

On 4/9/2016 at 10:26 AM, HarryB said:

So you think a guy can't grow and get leaner at the same time? My experience tells me that if it's his first cycle and he's a pork chop, if he eats clean and trains hard he will gain and get leaner. Now his overall bw may not increase but his LBM will as well as his strength and performance. It's just a different way of doing things what suits you specifically but that's the thing. People respond differently and what they want to achieve is also another key factor as SG added. 

imo  the only time joe average can grow and cut at the same time ,is in the first 6 months of training,after this honeymoon period it becomes very rare,bb at the top level nowadays may be an exception,with a medical teams help and $15ooo dollars worth of gh and steroids /acillaries and food..if your eating a calorie defficit which you need to do to lose weight,you havnt got the cals for complete energyneeds let alone growth needs,even maintainng what you have is hard during a cutting cycle..