First Cycle

[Gainswood]

Hey guys, thinking about doing my first cycle, Test - e 200 p/w 
Just thinking about PCT I will have arimidex on hand if needed.
think i'll need nolva? or could I just taper?

Cheers guys

[kiwicannon]

You front loading with anything ? how long cycle?

 

On that tiny amount just taper doubt you'd need AI mate

[Gainswood]

Sorry Front loading? and 12 weeks, and yeah have gyno atm but thats from puberty, so i feel like i'd get it quite easily  

[manlet]

3 hours ago, Gainswood said:

Hey guys, thinking about doing my first cycle, Test - e 200 p/w 
Just thinking about PCT I will have arimidex on hand if needed.
think i'll need nolva? or could I just taper?

Cheers guys

 

1 hour ago, Gainswood said:

Sorry Front loading? and 12 weeks, and yeah have gyno atm but thats from puberty, so i feel like i'd get it quite easily  

 

Front loading pretty much means any orals at the start

 

At 200mg there is no need to pct or taper

 

If you have gyno issues you would be better off using letrozole. What is your current body fat?

[Gainswood]

28 minutes ago, manlet said:

 

 

Front loading pretty much means any orals at the start

 

At 200mg there is no need to pct or taper

 

If you have gyno issues you would be better off using letrozole. What is your current body fat?

Oh no I wont front load and thanks my bf around 16%

[manlet]

6 minutes ago, Gainswood said:

Oh no I wont front load and thanks my bf around 16%

A real 16% or an Internet 16%? Not to be an asshole but that is a legit question

 

What's your age?

[Gainswood]

7 minutes ago, manlet said:

A real 16% or an Internet 16%? Not to be an asshole but that is a legit question

 

What's your age?

Real 16 - 17 % 

 

21 bro

[manlet]

1 minute ago, Gainswood said:

Real 16 - 17 % 

 

21 bro

The test shouldn't exacerbate your gyno but if you use some low dose adex you should be fine.

 

Any reason you are only gonna use 200mg? Sounds like the type of dose you'd give to a dude in his 40's that needs help to f*ck his wife haha

[Gainswood]

Isn't that above average?

[manlet]

11 minutes ago, Gainswood said:

Isn't that above average?

Above baseline but not really creating a strong anabolic environment 

[Gainswood]

What would you recommend?

[PETN]

Id do something like 350mg/week if i was you

[manlet]

2 minutes ago, Gainswood said:

What would you recommend?

Nothing too extreme. I think 300-400 would be ample. It's not that 200 won't do anything, you will just get more from the doses I said

[Gainswood]

Pct for 300? Needed?

[manlet]

1 minute ago, Gainswood said:

Pct for 300? Needed?

Nah man. I don't pct on 500 and just taper off on anything about that. You just need an AI to keep your estrogen in check so you don't get fat with puffy fucking nipples and start crying with out warning.

 

Unless you wanna get your misses pregnant straight away, then you should probably use HCG

[PETN]

I wouldn't bother. Maybe if you had access to  legit pharma pct meds then yeah sure if not too expensive. Good chance youll just get sold some random shit though as you won't know if its real or not anyway and lots of sellers are aware of this and will exploit it.

[Gainswood]

Hopefully it's not, thanks guys

[HarryB]

First cycle take 250mg of your test e every 5 days. That's what I'd do. Front loading just means using any fast breakdown steroid such as an oral or say test propionate at the beginning of your cycle to kick start your kidney failure ha ha ha 200mg underground probably 100mg so if you aim at taking 250 every says it means you'll be getting like 110mg.. you'll make some modest gains :) 

 

Save the anti estrogen until you actually see there's a problem and probably no need for pct but again some hcg might be useful to have on hand. 

[Realtalk]

Halve the dosage if it's UG? That's a little pessimistic lol

[Gainswood]

I'll bump it up to 125 twice a week? Eg monday pin Thursday pin? Total of 250, have an ai on hand and nolva for pct?

[PETN]

-Youve gotten 3 answers already suggesting the following weekly doses:

 

300-400mg

350mg

350mg (250*7/5).

 

-The same 3 people have basically said dont bother with pct on that dose. 

 

-Its been suggested that you take or have an AI on hand to control any estrogen side effects.

 

 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, Gainswood said:

Total of 250, have an ai on hand and nolva for pct?

 

No. What youre saying^ is pretty much what you wanted to do initially rather than what people here reccomended. The advice so far has been:

 

-350mg/week 

-have an ai on hand and use if you need it

-Dont bother with nolva.

 

Ultimately its up to you though. Dont really see the point in asking this stuff though if you are going to stick to your original plan despite advice contrary to this.

 

 

[Gainswood]

38 minutes ago, PETN said:

-Youve gotten 3 answers already suggesting the following weekly doses:

 

300-400mg

350mg

350mg (250*7/5).

 

-The same 3 people have basically said dont bother with pct on that dose. 

 

-Its been suggested that you take or have an AI on hand to control any estrogen side effects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. What youre saying^ is pretty much what you wanted to do initially rather than what people here reccomended. The advice so far has been:

 

-350mg/week 

-have an ai on hand and use if you need it

-Dont bother with nolva.

 

Ultimately its up to you though. Dont really see the point in asking this stuff though if you are going to stick to your original plan despite advice contrary to this.

 

 

Okay, just seen on other posts that 200 was enough, but thanks for clearing that up :)

[PETN]

Yeah man a legit 200mg would definitely see you make gains. Not saying that 350mg is what you have to do or anything was more pointing out that thats what was reccomended to you here.

 

 In my own opinion though its not really worth shutting down your natural test for the gains that i suspect youd make on 200mg/week.

 

You might even find that youre worse off by the time your natural test recovers. Wheras on a slightly higher dosage you are still shutdown the same but are more likely to come out ahead or more ahead because youve gained a bit more during your 12 weeks of gear use. 

 

Hopefully that makes sense mate.

[Gainswood]

2 minutes ago, PETN said:

Yeah man a legit 200mg would definitely see you make gains. Not saying that 350mg is what you have to do or anything was more pointing out that thats what was reccomended to you here.

 

 In my own opinion though its not really worth shutting down your natural test for the gains that i suspect youd make on 200mg/week.

 

You might even find that youre worse off by the time your natural test recovers. Wheras on a slightly higher dosage you are still shutdown the same but are more likely to come out ahead or more ahead because youve gained a bit more during your 12 weeks of gear use. 

 

Hopefully that makes sense mate.

Totally does, is taking "natty" test boosters going to help with speeding up my natural test levels back to normal? 

[PETN]

Ive never tried doing that so cant comment based on experience but id expect it to not make much if any difference as from what ive heard/read i dont think they really increase test production much/at all anyway.

 

If you get your hands on an AI you could try using that starting immediately post cycle or a week or 2 before you stop pinning to keep estrogen down and that might help your test recover faster. I could be wrong here as havent thought about it in ages but i think having lowered estrogen triggers increased test production.