First Cycle

[Timetogetbig]

Bloody nora this is proving difficult.

 

Starting to question if its even worth it.

[HarryB]

It's not worth it. It will decrease your life expectancy, make you infertile and possibly send you to jail when the roid rage takes over. 

 

Or so I've been told :) 

 

You're not from NZ. Everything is underground which essentially means someone is mixing the drugs up in their kitchen, more than likely cutting corners and underdosing and because it's an illegal enterprise they're extremely secretive about what they're doing. 

 

Apparently it's not overly difficult to get gear but I would suggest that if the last time you used you bought everything from a pharmacy then... this time won't be like that at all. 

[Timetogetbig]

Just now, HarryB said:

It's not worth it. It will decrease your life expectancy, make you infertile and possibly send you to jail when the roid rage takes over. 

 

Or so I've been told :) 

 

You're not from NZ. Everything is underground which essentially means someone is mixing the drugs up in their kitchen, more than likely cutting corners and underdosing and because it's an illegal enterprise they're extremely secretive about what they're doing. 

 

Apparently it's not overly difficult to get gear but I would suggest that if the last time you used you bought everything from a pharmacy then... this time won't be like that at all. 

Yeah....fair point.

 

I suppose because i am used to a certain way, doesnt necessarily mean it will be like that here.

 

I have considered buying online and importing my own, but honestly, i am sh1t scared.

[Realtalk]

Where are you from?

[Timetogetbig]

Just now, Realtalk said:

Where are you from?

South Africa

[kiwicannon]

Def worth it man!,  Cmon bru you need to tell this guy to stop being an ass clown and hook that shit up!

 

No such thing as "orders to small" here in NZ bruv!  1-2 vials the guy still makes his cash.  

 

Nothing wrong with just buying what you need.

[Timetogetbig]

Years ago, i used to pin myself in the backside.

 

I recently came across the youtube video and wondered if this is more commonly used method?

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

 

[kiwicannon]

Interesting never tried it this way, Cheers man will give it a go tonight

[Timetogetbig]

3 minutes ago, kiwicannon said:

Interesting never tried it this way, Cheers man will give it a go tonight

Let me know how it goes,

[WheelerWannabe]

lol I used the same video. i doubt ill go to the glute, reaching around seems more complicated. Is it important to switch sites?

[HarryB]

9 minutes ago, WheelerWannabe said:

lol I used the same video. i doubt ill go to the glute, reaching around seems more complicated. Is it important to switch sites?

 

It is a good idea to switch sites yes and try not always hit just the same 2 sites or you'll experience a build up of scar tissue and sometimes the oil encapsulates within that tissue nek minit abscess. When someone always pins the same spots after a while you can just see it. Like all the guys with lumpy delts or oddly shaped thighs and that kind of thing. It takes talent to be gassed up to your eyeballs and not have the typical tell tale signs of shitty skin and lumps where they shouldn't be. 

[Shutupandsquat]

Perfect scenario would be, if you could get legit GH, 250 test e per week and 5iu of growth a day would be good and you wouldn't have to worry about dbol.

 

I do think orals are either age dependent or drug age decent (how long you've been using PED's) because when older guys use orals their waists tend to blow out easier but you don't see that often with the younger guys.

 

Get your blood levels and a prostate exam as well (Srs). If you're in your 30s, it would be a good idea to get your health checked and see where you're at especially if you have high oestrogen levels older males tend to aromatise much easier

[atrollappears]

On ‎5‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 5:04 PM, Shutupandsquat said:

 

 

Get your blood levels and a prostate exam as well (Srs). If you're in your 30s, it would be a good idea to get your health checked and see where you're at especially if you have high oestrogen levels older males tend to aromatise much easier

 

Older males are more likely to carry a higher proportion of BF, as we know the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen is largely found in adipose (fat) tissue...

Although testosterone may be reduced in older males, there is a possibility greater aromatisation will take place due to increased enzymes, thefore Test:Estrogen ratio may favour increased Estrogen %..

 

Estrogen increases the binding of Thyroxine to TBG, which in turn can lower metabolism.. = Greater likelihood of fat retention..

 

[Shutupandsquat]

7 hours ago, atrollappears said:

 

Older males are more likely to carry a higher proportion of BF, as we know the aromatase enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen is largely found in adipose (fat) tissue...

Although testosterone may be reduced in older males, there is a possibility greater aromatisation will take place due to increased enzymes, thefore Test:Estrogen ratio may favour increased Estrogen %..

 

Estrogen increases the binding of Thyroxine to TBG, which in turn can lower metabolism.. = Greater likelihood of fat retention..

 

 

So would you say your oestrogen percentage tends to favour oestrogen more as you get older as opposed to aromatising easier?

[atrollappears]

Just now, Shutupandsquat said:

 

So would you say your oestrogen percentage tends to favour oestrogen more as you get older as opposed to aromatising easier?

 

There is a greater likelihood of aromatisation, due to increased BF% and subsequent increase in the aromatase enzyme, but only in those individuals showing increased BF%..

In normal individuals (lean) aromatisation would be lower as the precursor (testosterone) would be reduced due to age factors..

 

Unsure how aromatising would be easier.?

[Timetogetbig]

Ok, So i have had two pins so far.

 

Wednesday is pin day.

 

I did the left leg first using the above vid....no issues.

 

Then yesterday i did the right leg....today i have redness and soreness in the leg. Feels terrible. skin has gone a bit red and blotchy and it has a sharp pain sensation in the leg and skin. It felt fine yesterday, but the are around the pin site starting feeling all weird last night.

 

I am hoping it goes away soon.

[jimmybro1]

15 hours ago, Timetogetbig said:

Ok, So i have had two pins so far.

 

Wednesday is pin day.

 

I did the left leg first using the above vid....no issues.

 

Then yesterday i did the right leg....today i have redness and soreness in the leg. Feels terrible. skin has gone a bit red and blotchy and it has a sharp pain sensation in the leg and skin. It felt fine yesterday, but the are around the pin site starting feeling all weird last night.

 

I am hoping it goes away soon.

You pinned quad then trained legs? 

 

I don think video attached bro 

[Shutupandsquat]

On 10 February 2016 at 4:48 PM, atrollappears said:

 

There is a greater likelihood of aromatisation, due to increased BF% and subsequent increase in the aromatase enzyme, but only in those individuals showing increased BF%..

In normal individuals (lean) aromatisation would be lower as the precursor (testosterone) would be reduced due to age factors..

 

Unsure how aromatising would be easier.?

 

I would imagine that there would be a higher oestrogen to testosterone ratio due to age and therefore would make it easier to aromatise in terms of that ratio.

 

So it's not that it would convert to oestrogen in larger amounts, just at a greater ratio, if that makes sense.

 

maybe I've been researching the wrong things.

[atrollappears]

2 hours ago, Shutupandsquat said:

 

I would imagine that there would be a higher oestrogen to testosterone ratio due to age and therefore would make it easier to aromatise in terms of that ratio.

 

So it's not that it would convert to oestrogen in larger amounts, just at a greater ratio, if that makes sense.

 

maybe I've been researching the wrong things.

 

Age should work against that theory due to a decline in natural testosterone levels, unless BF% was higher, therefore aromatase enzyme numbers would be greater, leading to an increase of aromatisation of the available testosterone...

[Shutupandsquat]

4 hours ago, atrollappears said:

 

Age should work against that theory due to a decline in natural testosterone levels, unless BF% was higher, therefore aromatase enzyme numbers would be greater, leading to an increase of aromatisation of the available testosterone...

Right. I must have misunderstood what I was listening to. Thank you