IPF . Are they going to far?

[Wookie]

Lucky I'm not a mod, Gyzz. Posting Blaha vids would get you a warning.

 

[soundsgood]

Lol normally I would agree Wookie.  But that one was actually quite well said. 

 

Powerlifting judging is quite contentious compared to weight lifting.  Will it ever make the olympics in your eyes?  Do we even want it too? 

 

Are there any other Olympic sports that have other federations, not even to mention non tested federations? 

 

[Realtalk]

Yeah, Tae-kwon-do does.

[GyzzBrah]

10 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

Yeah, Tae-kwon-do does.

 

As someone who did taekwondo I can tell you that the ITF is to be disregarded as a real sporting federation as the people who run it are nuts and its very existence is upheld by people who want to feel part of a martial arts 'lifestyle' if you know what I mean. Nothing against it if people want to do this as a hobby, but it is not a sport nor a form of self defence. Its like doing yoga.

 

Then 'WTF' olympic taekwondo was developed entirely for sporting purposes, and uses unconventional fighting techniques with strict rules. More to do with the 'art' of the sport than say, MMA.

 

But the points that Blaha makes, which I think soundsgood is trying to point at, is that he says that if the IPF makes PL a olympic sport, all other federations would gradually disappear and loose their different features etc. It would all be heavily standardized. i.e all feds would be drug tested, and squat to IPF depth etc.

 

Not sure about the degree of truth to this on whether it would actually happen.

 

Wookie would probably know this, but were there different 'types' of weightlifting before it became an olympic sport? Are there still federations that still exist today that differ in their methods from what is done at the olympics?

 

 

[soundsgood]

Whether or not IPF powerlifting became an Olympic sport you would still have alternative Feds.  

 

Do do you think the likes of Dan Green, Odell, Lillibridge, Zahir etc would just stop lifting?  

 

It's too late, you can't shutt the stables after the horse has bolted.  

[Wookie]

Weightlifting as we kind of know it was about a 5 year old sport before making the first Olympics in 1896.

Hence Olympic weightlifting.

 

All Round Weightlifting appears to be the origin for it... and funnily enough, physical culture which we now call Crossfit.

 

Even weightlifting nearly got booted from the Olympics after 2004. Powerlifting has zero chance in my opinion, zero-1% chance due to drug use and there already being a weightlifting event.

 

To put this in perspective, there used to be around 40 qualifiers for discus throwing in track and field. Field events are now so marginalised that qualifying standards are increasing to the point that 12-20ish may qualify.

Works better for TV and keeps costs down.

The trend is towards cutting rather than adding to the Olympics.

[maccaz]

43 minutes ago, Wookie said:

Weightlifting as we kind of know it was about a 5 year old sport before making the first Olympics in 1896.

Hence Olympic weightlifting.

 

All Round Weightlifting appears to be the origin for it... and funnily enough, physical culture which we now call Crossfit.

 

Even weightlifting nearly got booted from the Olympics after 2004. Powerlifting has zero chance in my opinion, zero-1% chance due to drug use and there already being a weightlifting event.

 

To put this in perspective, there used to be around 40 qualifiers for discus throwing in track and field. Field events are now so marginalised that qualifying standards are increasing to the point that 12-20ish may qualify.

Works better for TV and keeps costs down.

The trend is towards cutting rather than adding to the Olympics.

 

i read a article recently where some knowledgeable guy broke down the reasons why powerlifting will NEVER be in the olympics and why that is not a bad thing for the sport.

made sense to me overall and i'll find it and post it 

 

if weightlifting nearly got kicked out, and i think other main sports like (was it wrestling??) have been close to getting cut, i dont see PL being in there.

[Realtalk]

Judo is not at the 2018 comm games in the GC. It's 2015 the ioc wants sports that people are interested in watching. Powerlifting isn't that, quite frankly unless you powerlifting or lift weights it's actually a really boring spectacle.

 

What would it be anyway raw or equipped? And why not the other? Everyone says raw cause people can't understand equipped. Well I can't understand the bows they use in the archery or the rifles they use in the shooting..

[Wookie]

Wrestling nearly got booted, and had to completely revamp their scoring system to make the sport less boring.

Greco Roman Wrestling (the sport I tried) is booted from the Commonwealth Games too. So Freestyle only is in.

[Bruce Al]

16 hours ago, GyzzBrah said:

 

As someone who did taekwondo I can tell you that the ITF is to be disregarded as a real sporting federation as the people who run it are nuts and its very existence is upheld by people who want to feel part of a martial arts 'lifestyle' if you know what I mean. Nothing against it if people want to do this as a hobby, but it is not a sport nor a form of self defence. Its like doing yoga.

 

Then 'WTF' olympic taekwondo was developed entirely for sporting purposes, and uses unconventional fighting techniques with strict rules. More to do with the 'art' of the sport than say, MMA.

 

But the points that Blaha makes, which I think soundsgood is trying to point at, is that he says that if the IPF makes PL a olympic sport, all other federations would gradually disappear and loose their different features etc. It would all be heavily standardized. i.e all feds would be drug tested, and squat to IPF depth etc.

 

Not sure about the degree of truth to this on whether it would actually happen.

 

Wookie would probably know this, but were there different 'types' of weightlifting before it became an olympic sport? Are there still federations that still exist today that differ in their methods from what is done at the olympics?

 

 

ITF is also a sport. 

[HarryB]

Isn't a massive part of the whole politics an attempt to preserve income? For example the guy who runs Olympic lifting in nsw gets a wage and has a facility to operate out of that's attached to the Olympic stadium. So he's super protective of his position and by all accounts a real asshole. Isn't that part of the issue with the ipf?

[Riccardo]

I thought introducing raw classes in the IPF was all about getting acceptance as an olympic sport, so my guess would be that if it were to make it, it'd be raw?

 

It's academic anyway IMO, powerlifting has a snowflakes chance in hell of making it, they already want to kick out the weightlifters. Although they do powerlifting in the special olympics so who knows?

 

As for Ed Coan, I can understand it, you don't want tested athletes around drug users, but going to a seminar? lol righto, why don't they ban their lifters from using the internet too, bunch of antiquated morons, half of them took gear themselves. If Ed was your coach, now that's a different story in my book.

[maccaz]

6 hours ago, Riccardo said:

I thought introducing raw classes in the IPF was all about getting acceptance as an olympic sport, so my guess would be that if it were to make it, it'd be raw?

 

It's academic anyway IMO, powerlifting has a snowflakes chance in hell of making it, they already want to kick out the weightlifters. Although they do powerlifting in the special olympics so who knows?

 

As for Ed Coan, I can understand it, you don't want tested athletes around drug users, but going to a seminar? lol righto, why don't they ban their lifters from using the internet too, bunch of antiquated morons, half of them took gear themselves. If Ed was your coach, now that's a different story in my book.

 

i can definitely see why it is in the special olympics. a lot of disabilities make fast paced hand-eye coordination impossible (such as blindness !) so counts a lot of sports out, but powerlifting is very doable for a wide range of people with disabilities.

 

seen some pretty hectic legless bench pressers too

 

 

[Realtalk]

Not powerlifting related at all but drug testing related. Just heard Valerie Adams has just been drug tested 3 times in the last  10 days. Thought that was unbelievable.

[BeastBuilder]

Just now, Realtalk said:

Not powerlifting related at all but drug testing related. Just heard Valerie Adams has just been drug tested 3 times in the last  10 days. Thought that was unbelievable.

 

She is looking awfully fucking swole atm lol.

 

But yea thats pretty crazy, $3k down the drain, she didn't even throw what she wanted to hit.

[Wookie]

There's been some evidence of butterfly stitches being used to put AAS into the body and only show up in a small window of time...all according to Vic Conte. Perhaps testing of that frequency is designed to catch such practices.

 

Val has been clean as long as I've known her so she welcomes the testing.

[Realtalk]

I think it's good. Yes, a lot of money but if that's the cost of clean sport then so be it. The problem is it isn't consistent worldwide. NZ actively tries to catch their athletes, many other countries assist them to pass.

[Pseudonym]

17 hours ago, Realtalk said:

Just heard Valerie Adams has just been drug tested 3 times in the last  10 days. Thought that was unbelievable.

 

12 hours ago, Wookie said:

There's been some evidence of butterfly stitches being used to put AAS into the body and only show up in a small window of time...all according to Vic Conte. Perhaps testing of that frequency is designed to catch such practices.

 

3 times in 10 days certainly seems like they're actively looking for something specific. Is it likely the testers are acting on some info they've been given? (I don't doubt Valeria Adams is clean, but presumably false leads need to get checked out as well?)

[maccaz]

9 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

 

 

3 times in 10 days certainly seems like they're actively looking for something specific. Is it likely the testers are acting on some info they've been given? (I don't doubt Valeria Adams is clean, but presumably false leads need to get checked out as well?)

thats what i thought. also perfectly plausible that some disgruntled competitor might slip in a few bogus anonymous tips too? not saying its the case here but easy way to cause some inconvenience for someone.

[Wookie]

13 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

 

 

3 times in 10 days certainly seems like they're actively looking for something specific. Is it likely the testers are acting on some info they've been given? (I don't doubt Valeria Adams is clean, but presumably false leads need to get checked out as well?)

 

Nah I think I remember hearing ahe got tested 6-8 times in under 2 weeks when she won worlds. Simply gets tested like crazy and never fails.

[HarryB]

Maybe that's why she gets tested so frequently. Because they know she'll pass and they have to execute a certain number of tests in line with funding and for validity. Call me a cynic...... but they can say we did 3 tests across the strength athletes  at random times over a 10 day period and all came up clean :)

[Pseudonym]

Yep, that's pretty cynical, Harry! You're way too devious!

 

But surely they'd have to give the number of athletes tested, not just the number of tests.

[Wookie]

Actually I am pretty sure it's a total number of tests. So cynical Harry is right.

 

Usain Bolt didn't get tested for about 6 months prior to the 2012 Olympics.

Lucky for some....

[Pseudonym]

[Realtalk]

On the other hand she is 4x world champion, 3x commonwealth champion, 2x Olympic champion and 3x indoor world champion. Possibly our highest achieving current competing athlete if not highest achieving all time?

So she should be tested the most I guess...