First Cycle and PCT Advice - Supplements on hand

[H4W]

Hi good people of GN,

 

New to cycling (as in brand spanking), training for 10 years plus on and off and looking for some advice if possible.

 

Age: 32

Weight: 102kg

Height: 5ft9.5

Build: solid/muscular although carrying about 10kgs more than i should be.

 

What i have;

4 x 10mls of Test Cyp 250

2 x 10mls of Sust 250

8 x 1ml of Sust 250

30 x 1mg of Armidex

36 x 50mg of Clomed

 

I believe i have enough for two cycles (unless advised otherwise) and was wondering the best way to use what i have.

 

1) 1.4mls (350) pw of Sus 250 for 12 weeks pinned twice per week

2) 1.4mls  (350) pw of Cyp for 12 weeks

3) a combination of both 1ml of Sus and 1 ml of Cyp per week

4) or, your experienced recommendations

 

I also have no contact locally for any further supplements so is the PCT i have on hand sufficient?

 

Any thoughts and advice would be very much appreciated.

 

Thank you

 

Edited January 21, 2016 by H4W
Clarification of the Test Cyp dosage

[kiwicannon]

Just Keep it simple mate do one or the other Test Cyp will take longer to kick in due to the ester, 

Sust best shot EOD  

AI on hand GTG

Just Taper off.

 

Whats the Cypionate dosed at?

 

 

[H4W]

Thanks.

Cypionate is 250/ml.

 

Is 12 weeks long enough if i should use sust? or should i go longer?

[kiwicannon]

I personally like to run longer cycles.

 

Yeah 12wks is fine with Sust , pin EOD,  you've got your AI on hand GTG. OR do a longer cycle with your Cyp x2 EW

 

All personally preference just keep it simple mate. Eat clean, Cals up, Train consistant etc etc.

 

 

[HarryB]

So first cycle and should be pinning 250mg eod? That's 750mg one week and a gram the next. I get that sustanon is best pinned regularly because of the short acting esters but the whole idea of it having 4 esters is to get different release times from the one shot. Just my 2c. 

 

I'd say the amount your looking at for your first cycle is a bit overzealous. Plus it doesn't give you much room to move other then upward on your next cycle. By your stats you're already decent size and solid. I'd probably look at 500mg a week of test whatever in whatever combination for 12 weeks. Probably use the sus at the start as the phenylpropionate will kick in quick. 1 ml twice a week and then switch to cyp same dosing. That's my opinion. 

[H4W]

14 minutes ago, HarryB said:

So first cycle and should be pinning 250mg eod? That's 750mg one week and a gram the next. I get that sustanon is best pinned regularly because of the short acting esters but the whole idea of it having 4 esters is to get different release times from the one shot. Just my 2c. 

 

I'd say the amount your looking at for your first cycle is a bit overzealous. Plus it doesn't give you much room to move other then upward on your next cycle. By your stats you're already decent size and solid. I'd probably look at 500mg a week of test whatever in whatever combination for 12 weeks. Probably use the sus at the start as the phenylpropionate will kick in quick. 1 ml twice a week and then switch to cyp same dosing. That's my opinion. 

 

Cheers HarryB, i don't think id ever be pinning 750mg plus of test first cycle. I was planning on 500mg per week max unless recommended otherwise.

 

So you are suggesting 1ml of sus 250 pinned twice a week for 12 weeks and then continuing 1ml of Cyp pinned twice weekly for another 12 weeks? or is that a separate cycle.

[HarryB]

Actually I was just referring to kiwicannons advice. 

 

I'd do sus twice a week for 6 then cyp twice a week 4 4 then once a week for 2 then off. 

 

If you notice puffy nipples then arimidex. 

 

Keep eating consistent and measured so you can Guage what difference the steroids are making and track what happens week to week. 

 

That's what I'd do. 

[Realtalk]

Depends on your cycle lengths but if they are 10 weeks you have enough for 3 cycles there. That's what I would do if I were you and couldn't get more.

[kiwicannon]

@Harry  No most def not 250 EOD for a total noob. i  was referring to OP original dose plan 1.4ml x2 wk, spread that dose out in EOD shots.

 

[HarryB]

15 minutes ago, kiwicannon said:

 

 

@Harry  No most def not 250 EOD for a total noob. i  was referring to OP original dose plan 1.4ml x2 wk, spread that dose out in EOD shots.

 

 

Oh OK man yeah makes complete sense. Sorry I just assumed 1 ml EOD my bad

[kiwicannon]

All goods Harry i should have made bit clearer but I'm sure H4W has got the picture,  should be a goodie!

[H4W]

Cheers guys, much appreciated.

 

As far as PCT is concerned will a simple tapering off be sufficient? got look after the testes baby please because my wife would kill me otherwise.

 

Should i use the Clomid at all?

 

And any other vital vitamins or liver cleanse i should be considering or that can be recommended during cycle?