Nzifbb why so unprofessional

[bart]

Super interesting topic.

 

Like most topics like this, where there's smoke, there has to be fire.  And for the amount of smoke here, methinks the fire would make the great fire of London look like a boy scout marshmallow cook up.

 

Now I have been in the BB world since 2009, and when I first entered a competition I had no idea there were multiple federations, let alone the politics involved.  I did a NABBA competition, and only because our trainer/nutritionist at the time competed with them too. 

 

It was great fun - awesome people, competitors and the organisers alike.  My wife and I were hooked into the sport, and are both still actively involved - and as this is my real name here, you know who I am now!

 

A couple of years later, and we are both now area representatives for NABBA, and love running our show, and love the athletes that compete - hooked into the sport in a big way.

 

So a few observations, right or wrong, my thoughts...

 

First the big ups to NABBA - my federation, my happy place.

 

It is run by a board - all the area reps have a board meeting once a year where things are discussed, changes made, debate had, votes cast - all the things that a democratic organisation does.  There is no dictator, it is quite an enjoyable meeting as you try and sway people to your way of thinking, or get swayed.

 

NABBA has no favourites.  No athlete gets promised anything or marked up oir down.  That is impossible at NABBA,  The judges are all accountable, the scores are collated by two people, and at the show interval all the marks are put out and the judges go through them with each other.

So if someone is judged to be first by six judges, and the seventh has them last, then they are taken to task over that.  So for results to be 'fixed', you would need all judges working in collusion.  And as sometimes on the judging panel you barely know the other judges, that does now happen.

 

NABBA is run by people who love the sport.  They are not in it to make money - hell, it costs us money, but it's a passion, so that's the way it goes.  So again, no corruption can come into it, as no one gains anything by being a dick - it is amateur sport in its purest form.

 

We have a close friend who has jumped ship to the Moe Show, a very good bodybuilder who says that he changed because NABBA did nothing for him - didn't take him to overseas shows etc.  And he’s right, NABBA never funded a trip for him to compete overseas – as they have not done for anyone.  That is the great thing about NABBA, there are no favourites.  They will help everyone equally to get overseas if they have qualified - not pumping all the money into one person no matter how good they are.  All athletes are equal - and are judged on the day - not by their name, but by their body.

 

NABBA is the only Federation that does not even think to 'own' their athletes.  Compete where you like and with who you like.  You won’t be marked up or down because last week  you were with WFF and the week before IFBB.  NABBA is confident and comfortable in their own skin.  No need to say that if you compete with NABBA/WFF we're going to ban you.  It's a free world, make your choices.  Unlike NZIFBB who are so insecure it's not funny.  NABBA/WFF the same, a friend of ours guest posed at our show and was banned from judging for 6 months.  FFS, that is pathetic.  No ones owns the athletes, let them do what they want.  If you pay for their training, supplements, nutrition, food, power, rent etc, then maybe you might have a claim on them, but I'm picking that they don't...

 

NZIFBB - well, it's all been said in the previous posts, and I have heard and experienced first and second hand all of the above.  Unless you are brown nosing, and it does Moe good to be seen with YOU also, you are just another entry fee in his back pocket.

 

NABBA/WFF.  I don't know a lot about this lot, but the fact that it is a 'splinter' group from the real NABBA makes me think that it has been set up for all the wrong reasons - some people got the pip, threw their toys out of the cot, and went to play elseware.  Pretty sad, as NZ is really not big enough for the amount of Federations there are, and good organiserss are hard to find.  It would be interesting to know the story behind why this happened.

 

So in a nutshell.

 

NABBA, not perfect, but run the most transparently, from board level to judging.

 

NABBA/WFF.  No idea, know people who love it, and who hate it.  But any Federation that does not ‘allow’ their athletes compete elseware have an insecurity problem!!

 

NZIFBB.  Definitely not perfect.  The term coined by many, the Moe-Show pretty much says it all, unless there is something in it for him, he does not want to know about it.

 

Anyway, that is my two cents worth, almost a party political broadcast for NABBA, but just my opinion on BB in NZ, right or wrong, based on what I have seen and heard over six years.

 

Happy competing to all this weekend at the Nationals - NABBA, WFF and NZIFBB, lets hope you all get judged on your bodies, not on your sponsors, and who you know and how you have, or have not, brown-nosed this week....

 

Bart

[Blackburn]

THE MOE SHOW .... and his side kick gangsta wanna be Salah whats his name . The NZFBB ( which is unconstitutional in accordance to the Amature IFBB ) is a platform for this Narcissistic Individual (  Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism. ) to Dominate All He Possibly Can . This is obvious by way of Telling any Athlete of Worth that THEY MUST become part of TEAM EXTREME and he will Be There Nutritionist / Coach, This after he held a Look At Me Im The Coolest Seminar in which he stated NO ONE NEEDS NUTRITIONISTS OR COACHES ,wow talk about Hypocrite and this from a guy who was telling people to carb up on heaps of Bananas OHHH DEAR WHAT A EXPERT .It is also obvious due to the Fact he Makes all the Pro,s get sponsored by one of the worst consumer rating products on the Market, NAR LABS, which by the way is owned by one of his relatives in the States .The NZFBB has become a talking point INTERNATIONALLY at the highest level and even more so what with this clown Salah going on social media Threatening Individuals whom might turn up to a NZFBB Show, Isnt this idiot meant to be a IFBB PRO ??, if so he has just Broken There Code Of Conduct Rules Im sure , and should be Stood Down and Barred From the NZFBB wouldnt that would be the right thing to do Moe ?? . This guy also Promises Placings to Individuals in various shows .. this is well known and again should be stamped out, but nothing will happen because why, Because they are all just as bad as one another , even though they hate on each other behind each other,s back,s, its comical really it truly is . 

[amitnz]

The last audio brags about screwing Dan out of a placing, bragging about assaults and mockery of religions/beliefs giving preference to people whom believe the same way he does. That's more then enough to show it's highly likely you will not be judged fairly should you not be a "yes man or woman". Beyond that I think anyone still choosing the compete or even be associated is making a mistake. This thread has gone to Jim Manion head of Ifbb and IF there is any credibility there something would change.

[Rebel101]

Super interesting topic.

Like most topics like this, where there's smoke, there has to be fire. And for the amount of smoke here, methinks the fire would make the great fire of London look like a boy scout marshmallow cook up.

Now I have been in the BB world since 2009, and when I first entered a competition I had no idea there were multiple federations, let alone the politics involved. I did a NABBA competition, and only because our trainer/nutritionist at the time competed with them too.

It was great fun - awesome people, competitors and the organisers alike. My wife and I were hooked into the sport, and are both still actively involved - and as this is my real name here, you know who I am now!

A couple of years later, and we are both now area representatives for NABBA, and love running our show, and love the athletes that compete - hooked into the sport in a big way.

So a few observations, right or wrong, my thoughts...

First the big ups to NABBA - my federation, my happy place.

It is run by a board - all the area reps have a board meeting once a year where things are discussed, changes made, debate had, votes cast - all the things that a democratic organisation does. There is no dictator, it is quite an enjoyable meeting as you try and sway people to your way of thinking, or get swayed.

NABBA has no favourites. No athlete gets promised anything or marked up oir down. That is impossible at NABBA, The judges are all accountable, the scores are collated by two people, and at the show interval all the marks are put out and the judges go through them with each other.

So if someone is judged to be first by six judges, and the seventh has them last, then they are taken to task over that. So for results to be 'fixed', you would need all judges working in collusion. And as sometimes on the judging panel you barely know the other judges, that does now happen.

NABBA is run by people who love the sport. They are not in it to make money - hell, it costs us money, but it's a passion, so that's the way it goes. So again, no corruption can come into it, as no one gains anything by being a dick - it is amateur sport in its purest form.

We have a close friend who has jumped ship to the Moe Show, a very good bodybuilder who says that he changed because NABBA did nothing for him - didn't take him to overseas shows etc. And he’s right, NABBA never funded a trip for him to compete overseas – as they have not done for anyone. That is the great thing about NABBA, there are no favourites. They will help everyone equally to get overseas if they have qualified - not pumping all the money into one person no matter how good they are. All athletes are equal - and are judged on the day - not by their name, but by their body.

NABBA is the only Federation that does not even think to 'own' their athletes. Compete where you like and with who you like. You won’t be marked up or down because last week you were with WFF and the week before IFBB. NABBA is confident and comfortable in their own skin. No need to say that if you compete with NABBA/WFF we're going to ban you. It's a free world, make your choices. Unlike NZIFBB who are so insecure it's not funny. NABBA/WFF the same, a friend of ours guest posed at our show and was banned from judging for 6 months. FFS, that is pathetic. No ones owns the athletes, let them do what they want. If you pay for their training, supplements, nutrition, food, power, rent etc, then maybe you might have a claim on them, but I'm picking that they don't...

NZIFBB - well, it's all been said in the previous posts, and I have heard and experienced first and second hand all of the above. Unless you are brown nosing, and it does Moe good to be seen with YOU also, you are just another entry fee in his back pocket.

NABBA/WFF. I don't know a lot about this lot, but the fact that it is a 'splinter' group from the real NABBA makes me think that it has been set up for all the wrong reasons - some people got the pip, threw their toys out of the cot, and went to play elseware. Pretty sad, as NZ is really not big enough for the amount of Federations there are, and good organiserss are hard to find. It would be interesting to know the story behind why this happened.

So in a nutshell.

NABBA, not perfect, but run the most transparently, from board level to judging.

NABBA/WFF. No idea, know people who love it, and who hate it. But any Federation that does not ‘allow’ their athletes compete elseware have an insecurity problem!!

NZIFBB. Definitely not perfect. The term coined by many, the Moe-Show pretty much says it all, unless there is something in it for him, he does not want to know about it.

Anyway, that is my two cents worth, almost a party political broadcast for NABBA, but just my opinion on BB in NZ, right or wrong, based on what I have seen and heard over six years.

Happy competing to all this weekend at the Nationals - NABBA, WFF and NZIFBB, lets hope you all get judged on your bodies, not on your sponsors, and who you know and how you have, or have not, brown-nosed this week....

Bart

Very well said Bart!!!!

[Matrix]

Good to have you on board Bart!

[Gym rat]

That was very well put and said by Bart

[tyreguy]

I feel sorry for all the competitors

 

They all work hard/train/diet etc etc only to get a kick in the guts, with intimidation, threats all that stuff.

 

 Moe ( I don`t know him) so im not/can`t judge him. Is he the type of personality that is required to run such an organisation? I mean these athletes/competitors need to be reigned in from time to time with their own personalities don`t they?

 

Just saying.

[bang_bang]

This thread is a good read. So your nabba nac Bart? I thought nabba/wff was the real nabba?

[Matrix]

You are certainly correct Tyreguy, the sport is so subjective that there are always going to be competitors who dont like where they place and get very vocal on social media about this so in that respect the judges can be on a hiding to nothing. 

 

Out of respect for a Federation its always best to talk to the judges before airing dirty laundry publicly as they may have a valid reason why the competitor didnt get the placing the thought they should have.

 

In a perfect world the best physique and presentation that best suits the class criteria should win - History shows that in Body building  (worldwide)in general that doesnt always happen and over the years there have been some very high profile odd descisions in Bodybuilding in general.

 

Kind of like Realtalk says, in PLifting, to a large degree the results are measurable and not subject but BBuilding is much more subjective than that and thus open to more speculating about results. When you combine that with tired/depleted/irritable competitors then you get fireworks.

[Realtalk]

This thread is a good read. So your nabba nac Bart? I thought nabba/wff was the real nabba?

Lol you're flogging a dead horse there mate. It's a merry go round.

[Blackburn]

Notice how on Social Media the sucking up to Moe has started ... This happens to ensure that the individual is seen to be in good standing with Moe prior to being Judged . This Phenomenon happens only with the NZFBB as it is commonly known that Moe sets the placings of certain individuals during judging. They use no set judging formula or calculation or coilation , just a piece of paper that gets handed to Moe. No illimation of high n low scores and avg calculation to determine correct placings.

[bang_bang]

Lol you're flogging a dead horse there mate. It's a merry go round.

 

Would the real nabba please stand up. Lol

[Realtalk]

Notice how on Social Media the sucking up to Moe has started ... This happens to ensure that the individual is seen to be in good standing with Moe prior to being Judged . This Phenomenon happens only with the NZFBB as it is commonly known that Moe sets the placings of certain individuals during judging. They use no set judging formula or calculation or coilation , just a piece of paper that gets handed to Moe. No illimation of high n low scores and avg calculation to determine correct placings.

Yeah makes makes me sick all this thanking, prawns lol. I noticed ANS was thanked for sponsoring Jade M too... propaganda damage control?

[maccaz]

Yeah makes makes me sick all this thanking, prawns lol. I noticed ANS was thanked for sponsoring Jade M too... propaganda damage control?

Lol people i know that are not even competing and have never competed but might compete in future regularly post thank you moe shit on Facebook

[Skeletor]

Haha yeah i see this all the time on social media. The sad thing is that none of these people probably really even like him but feel pressured into saying these things in order to further their own bodybuilding careers.  Its good that so many people have chosen to speak up here and on the xtreme motivation facebook site i see all the videos have been posted also. Hopefully the IFBB look into this and do something because its just downright criminal whats going on. 

[crazyfacials]

I just want to thank Pseudonym for creating this forum, and for helping me out in my foruming career, without his help or guidance, I wouldn't be half the mod that I am today

[bart]

'Real' NABBA. No idea. But the one that has been around for 25 years!! Was thinking today that the term narcissistic fits well.

Personally I hate the squabbling between Feds. Only thing that it hurts is the athletes, and thath is what should be first and foremost in any federations minds.

Denzel Washington's line in the movie Remember the Titans says it all. "Just let them play".

[HarryB]

'Real' NABBA. No idea. But the one that has been around for 25 years!! Was thinking today that the term narcissistic fits well.

Personally I hate the squabbling between Feds. Only thing that it hurts is the athletes, and thath is what should be first and foremost in any federations minds.

Denzel Washington's line in the movie Remember the Titans says it all. "Just let them play".

Real Nabba is the one Nabba lol the other is an offshoot from the mid 90s. In NZ the first Nabba was Jim Pitt. I actually liked Jim because he didn't care who you competed with or anything like that. Just rock up was his motto.

[kingersman]

Bit of hate going on between the nabba and nabba/wff. Nabba/wff threatening court etc about illegal use of nabba.

[maccaz]

professionalism among the loyal is high

 

a good role model always acts tough on social media

 

 

 

[Michael Knight]

Shit just got real!

 

I wonder if Grants mum will reply to Salah

[HarryB]

Look if Moe wasn't putting on well run shows with good prizes and fair placings whilst also providing great product through his supplement stores then he wouldn't still be making money.... so clearly he's doing an amazing job

[BeastBuilder]

Lol @ "I have had the pleasure to know her for much longer than that" & "Has represented herself in the most respected way one could"

We all know what this is Moe Lingo for haha

[flex7]

Can someone care to give us a bit of history what happened with Moe's company (NZIFBB) and the previous NZFBB federation? Did he somehow manage to absorb it?

 

 "A tribunal appointed by the New Zealand Federation of Body Builders (NZFBB) is due to hear his case this month.  If the steroid positive is upheld the usual penalty is a two-year ban and forfeiture of titles and trophies, said president Mark Stewart."

 

It just seems funny to me that someone that was under question by the tribunal can then be the president and sole authority of the new federation so quickly

[Blackburn]

Moe started a vendeta against the then President and IFBB committe at the Anual General Meetting . He managed to get numerous individuals to sighn up to the IFBB giving them voting rights many of whom had nothing to do with bodybuilding .He managed to get Mark Stewart voted out and hymself in as President to which he prombtly made the IFBB into a company and him the owner .No one ever questioning this move . Through out this process committee members , opponents and IFBB members were threatened with violence and bullied even threatened with arson to individual property by Moe,s band of brothers .