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Now all he should have to do is guest pose at the nationals and then onto the pro stage. That's just off the hook..

Why shouldn't he have to do nationals and win like everyone else?

All iv seen on fb is "he should be a pro!" "Why isn't he a pro?" Etc etc. In my opinion and I'm no expert but I do have a pair of eyes and a brain that isn't blinded by bias and bullshit, from what I have seen his level is entry level to what is required to be competitive on the pro stage. I'm sure the goal here is to WIN big pro shows and that is realistic in time. But what is the Rush to turning pro? Everyone in nz thinks turning pro is best thing since fucking sliced bread lol but most of them just want to turn pro for the status symbol... In any other sport in this country if a professional athlete is under performing we come down on them like a bucket of shit but in bodybuilding receiving a pro card and coming last in a pro show is championed... How does that work??? Win worlds and Arnold's as amatuer build a reputation in ifbb then go pro... All while gaining just as much size as you would while being a pro getting poor placings while you develop.

Anyway awesome physique! My 2c, but iv just read some really dumb shit in the last 24 hours. Everyone star struck and thinks a nabba competitor should just be gifted an ifbb pro card. If you have no idea about something why make a post about it on fb. It's not that complicated of a process to understand.

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Why shouldn't he have to do nationals and win like everyone else?

All iv seen on fb is "he should be a pro!" "Why isn't he a pro?" Etc etc. In my opinion and I'm no expert but I do have a pair of eyes and a brain that isn't blinded by bias and bullshit, from what I have seen his level is entry level to what is required to be competitive on the pro stage. I'm sure the goal here is to WIN big pro shows and that is realistic in time. But what is the Rush to turning pro? Everyone in nz thinks turning pro is best thing since fucking sliced bread lol but most of them just want to turn pro for the status symbol... In any other sport in this country if a professional athlete is under performing we come down on them like a bucket of shit but in bodybuilding receiving a pro card and coming last in a pro show is championed... How does that work??? Win worlds and Arnold's as amatuer build a reputation in ifbb then go pro... All while gaining just as much size as you would while being a pro getting poor placings while you develop.

Anyway awesome physique! My 2c, but iv just read some really dumb shit in the last 24 hours. Everyone star struck and thinks a nabba competitor should just be gifted an ifbb pro card. If you have no idea about something why make a post about it on fb. It's not that complicated of a process to understand.

Really what I meant was yeah he has to do nationals but it's gonna be a formality cos who in nz is going to beat him. So more like a guest posing than competition. Kind of like when Kevin Ogrady got his pro card in 96.

But be a serious guy lol

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Why shouldn't he have to do nationals and win like everyone else?

All iv seen on fb is "he should be a pro!" "Why isn't he a pro?" Etc etc. In my opinion and I'm no expert but I do have a pair of eyes and a brain that isn't blinded by bias and bullshit, from what I have seen his level is entry level to what is required to be competitive on the pro stage. I'm sure the goal here is to WIN big pro shows and that is realistic in time. But what is the Rush to turning pro? Everyone in nz thinks turning pro is best thing since fucking sliced bread lol but most of them just want to turn pro for the status symbol... In any other sport in this country if a professional athlete is under performing we come down on them like a bucket of shit but in bodybuilding receiving a pro card and coming last in a pro show is championed... How does that work??? Win worlds and Arnold's as amatuer build a reputation in ifbb then go pro... All while gaining just as much size as you would while being a pro getting poor placings while you develop.

Anyway awesome physique! My 2c, but iv just read some really dumb shit in the last 24 hours. Everyone star struck and thinks a nabba competitor should just be gifted an ifbb pro card. If you have no idea about something why make a post about it on fb. It's not that complicated of a process to understand.

Just my 2c worth but if anyone is get get a pro card in NZ Steve should.

And I happen to think it is not such a bad thing.

If a competitor is capable of winning and continuing to win NZ category (as in year after year) I think they should be taken out of the competitive pool in NZ so other up and coming competitors can see their way forward. How boring is it when one competitor would continue to win year after year.

They historical winners of National titles should be either competing in an "International" class or have a pro card and compete overseas.

I will be always in favour or giving opportunities to new blood if they are good enough.

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While I absolutely agree Steve Orton is worthy of a pro card it doesn't mean he has to take one.

 

Doesn't happen in Powerlifting.  You can continue to win and win until someone catches up or you get complacent and lose it yourself.

 

It really doesn't make sense to keep taking the best out of the pool continously then their career pretty much dies out as there are not enough competitions for them to compete.  Especially with Steves recent issues I don't know if thats impacts travel for a while?  I hope not but if so he might as well keep competing and rack up a few more overall titles.

 

As much as I think Darren Onekawa is absolutely worthy of a pro card too (the best of the currently competing pros) imagine if he had continued competing as an amateur and you had a stage with Darren, Mark Reed, Steve Orton, Nathan Ohearn, Kenny Omalley etc going head to head year after year.  As there are very few pro shows in the southern hemisphere (1 or 2 a year) it makes it unlikely we see our local pros on stage together.

 

In most other sports if you are a pro you can go and live and compete in the country where the league is held IE Golf or Soccer.  All of our pros pretty much live in NZ/Aus so it makes it really expensive to travel especially in a sport where there is basically no prize money and sponsorship is extremely hard to come by.

 

I think the best way forward would be to tack more pro shows onto the amateur shows so that we see our pros competing more and prize money needs to be hunted down to make it more worthwhile.  Way easier said than done I realise but just my 2c.

 

Moe does do a good job with what he has available, BB is a tough sport to get going in such a small country.  I guess maybe he really does need all those 6 month training then jump on stage physique guys that everyone was hassling on FB last week.

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So everyone can have a chance at winning?

Lol this isn't 5 year old girls netball at 8am on a Saturday morning.

Well I do note that when people feel they are going to be stuck behind the likes of Steve Orton they tend to say "I quit".

Are you saying that those who feel like this are like "5 year old girls at a netball game"?

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I think by nature people who compete and start being succesful want to compete at the highest level they can even if it means they don't do so well on the amateur international or pro stage.

Years ago you had guys like Warren Thin who if memory serves won something like 7 Mr NZ titles and really was something awesome in NZ. As a young guy I'd have loved to have seen him onstage with the pros of that Era. Even if he did get smoked (I think he'd have held his own)

It's a shame if someone like Steve can't get himself into any of the shows in the states but hopefully he can. I'd love to see how a kiwi with his size and condition (plus age on his side) does. While it would be good to see Darryn and all those other guys onstage together there's not much motivation for them to do that at an amateur level. It's like asking a guy to play club rugby and be the best at that when he could sit on the bench for a super 15 side. Even if he only got 10 mins on the field I'm betting he chooses that over being the weekend hero of his local team.

I'm looking forward to seeing Kagan move up the ranks. Imo he has a better overall package and he's just a baby.

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I went along for a look (first show I'd been to) and if Steve wasn't competing there would be absolutely no reason for anyone other than someone supporting friends or family to go and watch. There needs to be more competition to build interest. What's the point in having the best talent go overseas to get their ass beat once a year..

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A lot of people hit the nail on the head in this thread.

Very little quality in the shows these days due to diluting with throwing the pro cards around willy nilly.

And especially in steves case, he's got no chance in hell of getting into aussie or the states so don't give him a card.

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If a competitor is capable of winning and continuing to win NZ category (as in year after year) I think they should be taken out of the competitive pool in NZ so other up and coming competitors can see their way forward. How boring is it when one competitor would continue to win year after year.

 But isn't that how legends are made? Think of Ronnie!

 

I will be always in favour or giving opportunities to new blood if they are good enough.

And isn't the definition of "good enough" to be able to beat your opponents? Not "able to beat some of your opponents, provided your top competition isn't there". :P

 

I do see your point, but I'd hate to think our athletes were being told "Sorry, you've won a comp, now step aside so someone else can have a turn." As an athlete the following year, it would completely take away any sense of achievement I might have in placing first.

 

 

 

Alternatively (and now I'm jumping across to the either side of the fence), there could be an argument to say that the more local pros we have, the better our chances of putting together more pro shows. So eventually we WILL be able to see all our local pros compete on the same stage. Maybe Moe's playing the long game here!

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No cause half are under 212 and half are over. They had nz a pro 212 class in March 2014... All looked like amatuers imo. Might sound abit harsh or negative but you got to be realistic, no ones realalistic that's the problem and if you are you're a "hater". If people aren't up to pro standard then they just aren't. It doesn't help when you have everyone stroking each other so hard they got no skin left. You don't have to be an expert to recognise this shit.

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