Any Reason Why Not?

[Rebel101]

We have been working away at training for bodybuilding for a number of years now but something interesting has come up...

Aylmer recently posted a video of my deadlift training as below...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aylmer-Porter-Trainer-of-Champions/1502144853352294?fref=ts

And some comments made included...

"Christine would take out a NZ national record for UPANZ in age/weight class and would also take out a GPA world record for deadlift with her current deadlift at 140kg. Not sure about other feds records."

Now I do not want to give up bodybuilding but can I do both sports to an elite level?

[Realtalk]

Yes do a comp! Upanz, gpcnz, nzpf.

Just do it.

[Rebel101]

The gpa world record for your age class and bodyweight is shallow as. Not sure what it would be but if 140 can beat it for 70kg lifter and you can do that for 10 reps then that is my point. You would probably take out the nz record deadlift or your age/weight cause you would be only one to ever attempt it. So you get it by default... Would be my guess anyway. could be wrong

This is problem when there is only slightly less classes than lifters. This was highlighted at the gpa worlds in sydney. You are lifting in a shallow pool.

Make goal to win national overall female 3 lift upanz or GPC of nzpf if you want a meaningful accolade. That would personally impress me more.

Not insulting anyone, just some people hear WR and their eyes light up when really... I dunno just my opinon.

But yes definitely do a powerlifting competition! Whichever federation you choose I will be very intetested in how you do

Gee I was not aware that you could only do 1 lift I thought you would have to do all three.

Doing 1 lift would be too easy really!And quite frankly I am not worried in the slightest about impressing anybody!

But if I am stuck in a pool of few lifters this will always be the case and whether I do one lift or three there will always be a sma1l pool of contestants this would be no fun.

But coming back to my original question, is it possible to compete in the two sports at one time and be competitive in both?

[maccaz]

I reckon surely you can be competitive at both. I think even tom lee has competed in both with a very small gap between them.

What are your bench and squat like?

In any case if you can just go gym and dead 140x10 you could just show up on the day and win without peaking program or anything im guessing. so not like you have to ditch your current bb training to prepare.

[Realtalk]

Sorry went on abit of a tangent. All I wanted to say is world records in powerlifting are a joke and that is coming from someone who does powerlifting and I mean no disrespect to anyone saying that but if you find it disrespectful I don't really care.

Yes you can do well at both on a national level. Obviously you would have to pick your competitions if you wanted to do both in the same year and might be a little difficult seeing as both sports nationals are usually in the second half of the year. But you can do you best.

Geordie and Hamish would be two examples of people who are and would easily be competitive in both bodybuilding and powerlifting. Nate could be another one but don't think he has been on the platform in a long time. I know some bodybuilders who would do well with abit of practise. Someone like steve orton would post a really good total with a small amount of time invested into learning the rules and practice. Frank boulgaris was another one from way back. Don't think he ever got on stage though. And thd obvious female is Ali gasgoinge (excuse spelling) she walks the walk of exactly what you are asking, You probably even know her personally since you both around same age.

There are many people I could go on and on but yes I think you can do well at both.

[bang_bang]

Very impressive. Absolutely you can do both. Learn the rules, don't train heavy for a week, turn up and lift. You'd be very competive across any fed/class.

[soundsgood]

Awesome lifting Rebel!

 

In case you were wondering here are the GPC NZ rankings for all of the NZ female lifters in the 75kg class over all ages

 

75kg CLASS RAW WOMEN

Squat
1. 125kg - Anna McCardle (25/10/14)
2. 120kg - Rachelle Turrell (17/05/14)
3. 95kg - Alexandra De L'Amour (29/03/14)
4. 75kg - Becs Carter (25/04/15)
5. 70kg - Angelina Adam (09/05/15)
6. 55kg - Jo Delamere (08/03/14)
7. 50kg - Gemma Tooley (09/05/15)
8. 40kg - Meikura Arahanga (25/04/15)

Bench
1. 67.5kg - Anna McCardle (27/01/15)
2. 62.5kg - Rachelle Turrell (17/05/14)
3. 60kg - Alexandra De L'Amour (29/03/14)
4. 58kg - Anya Chervinskaya (16/02/14)
5. 57.5kg - Angelina Adam (09/05/15)
6. 50kg - Becs Carter (25/04/15)
7= 47.5kg - Sasha Witehira (17/07/14)
7= 47.5kg - Lisa Neels (13/12/14)
9. 45kg - Jo Delamere (08/03/15)
10. 40kg - Helena Gilmore (09/05/15)

Deadlift
1. 135kg - Anna McCardle (25/10/14)
2. 130kg - Rachelle Turrell (17/05/14)
3= 112.5kg - Alexandra De L'Amour (29/03/14)
3= 112.5kg - Angelina Adam (09/05/15)
5= 110kg - Anya Chervinskaya (17/05/14)
5= 110kg - Lisa Neels (13/12/14)
7. 105kg - Jo Delamere (08/03/15)
8= 100kg - Meikura Arahanga (25/04/15)
8= 100kg - Gemma Tooley (09/05/15)
10. 92.5kg - Becs Carter (25/04/15)

 

You would easily take the top spot in deadlifts at this stage although Ruth Jackson is competing at the GPC australian champs today in this class I believe and should put up some big numbers.

 

As Tom said - disregard the age classes and aim to win overall!

If you need to discuss some possible GPC competition dates get in touch with me 

[New pome]

Stan Efferding body building pro and world record holder power lifting.

2070 pounds raw.

That's a BIG total!

He's super strong and always looks in great shape.

[teamfatboy]

In the NZPF, the Open Womens' raw New Zealand records are:

U72kg deadlift - 190kg, Total 407.5kg

U84kg deadlift - 195kg, Total 462.5kg

Masters-II

U72kg deadlift - 155kg, Total 320kg

U84kg deadlift - 165kg, Total 360kg.

In NZPF, records can only be set at North/ South Island champs (both on 6th June this year) or Nationals, and lifters have to do a regional comp to qualify. But based on the way you repped that 140, no belt, you'd smoke the age-group records, and have a decent crack at the open ones.

Realtalk's right on the money - Ali G is, I think, currently competing in both bodybuilding and powerlifting (NZPF), as is Kate Mitchell (GPA, i think?)

Regardless of where you compete, I reckon you should hunt around for a novice competition that fits your bodybuilding timetable (like the WBOP Powerlifting Association's novice comp 6th June at Unirec in Hamilton), and give it a go. PM me if you want NZPF info.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

with your your numbers you could just walk in to your first PL comp and come out with a record without any sacrifice to your bb training.. except for maybe making sure you have a small break between comp day and your last training session for recovery lol, if the local record is all that matters anyway. if you wanna be elite though i think that requires more direct focus.. surely you could be better at the big 3 if you focused on them, technique/specific programs to push those.. i reckon unless you a super tank with a elite level of natural talent (not to excuse the awesomeness of the people who do both at elite levels), it would be fairly unrealistic to expect to be competing to be the best in both worlds.

[teamfatboy]

Gee I was not aware that you could only do 1 lift I thought you would have to do all three.

It depends on the competition - most PL comps I know of are one of three formats - 3-lift; bench only, or push-pull (bench and deadlift).

 

In some cases, to set a record, you have to take advantage of whatever comps are out there.  That may mean doing token attempts in the other lifts - I know of a  female Masters-II lifter going to the Worlds in Finland next month who's obliged to attempt squat and deadlift, in order that she can chase a World Raw Bench record.

[GyzzBrah]

Right well from the way I see it rebel could easily smoke someone at a PL comp with very little training while still competing in bodybuilding, thats a given.

But in terms of going elite and getting her numbers way up, the bodybuilding could only be limited to say 1 comp per year at most. I say this because in the months following up to comp she will eat less than 1500 calories mostly protein with little carbs / fat.

So strength will obviously take a fall, especially if she spends half the year in total prepping then no way going elite.

[Rebel101]

I reckon surely you can be competitive at both. I think even tom lee has competed in both with a very small gap between them.

What are your bench and squat like?

In any case if you can just go gym and dead 140x10 you could just show up on the day and win without peaking program or anything I am guessing. so not like you have to ditch your current bb training to prepare.

Bearing in mind atm I am dieting and existing on about 70g carbs a day so effectively training carb depleted my squat I have not been pushing but squat about 100kg for 7 reps and bench is like 65kg for 8 reps.

I never underestimate what competing is like and would need to go to some smaller comps to feel at ease in the environment as I have never been in a bench press comp.

[Rebel101]

Awesome lifting Rebel!

 

You would easily take the top spot in deadlifts at this stage although Ruth Jackson is competing at the GPC australian champs today in this class I believe and should put up some big numbers.

 

As Tom said - disregard the age classes and aim to win overall!

If you need to discuss some possible GPC competition dates get in touch with me

Thanks Soundsgood.

Would be awesome to know what Ruths results are!

Overall realistically is probably way out of my reach, I know there have been great lifters in the past that spent many years training specifically for the sport.

I would need to spend I think a year just getting on top of technique but it would be interesting to know the comp dates from November onwards..

[Rebel101]

In the NZPF, the Open Womens' raw New Zealand records are:

U72kg deadlift - 190kg, Total 407.5kg

U84kg deadlift - 195kg, Total 462.5kg

Masters-II

U72kg deadlift - 155kg, Total 320kg

U84kg deadlift - 165kg, Total 360kg.

In NZPF, records can only be set at North/ South Island champs (both on 6th June this year) or Nationals, and lifters have to do a regional comp to qualify. But based on the way you repped that 140, no belt, you'd smoke the age-group records, and have a decent crack at the open ones.

Realtalk's right on the money - Ali G is, I think, currently competing in both bodybuilding and powerlifting (NZPF), as is Kate Mitchell (GPA, i think?)

Regardless of where you compete, I reckon you should hunt around for a novice competition that fits your bodybuilding timetable (like the WBOP Powerlifting Association's novice comp 6th June at Unirec in Hamilton), and give it a go. PM me if you want NZPF info.

Thanks TFB I will have a think about comps, I am wary of doing things without being adequately prepared in my experience that is usually when I injure myself.

I need to start practising the techniques and get some understanding of rules, no point going to a comp and then not being able to finish off because did not do it right.

[Rebel101]

with your your numbers you could just walk in to your first PL comp and come out with a record without any sacrifice to your bb training.. except for maybe making sure you have a small break between comp day and your last training session for recovery lol, if the local record is all that matters anyway. if you wanna be elite though i think that requires more direct focus.. surely you could be better at the big 3 if you focused on them, technique/specific programs to push those.. i reckon unless you a super tank with a elite level of natural talent (not to excuse the awesomeness of the people who do both at elite levels), it would be fairly unrealistic to expect to be competing to be the best in both worlds.

Realistically this is my worry that if I try doing too much I will not achieve at anything!

[Rebel101]

Right well from the way I see it rebel could easily smoke someone at a PL comp with very little training while still competing in bodybuilding, thats a given.

But in terms of going elite and getting her numbers way up, the bodybuilding could only be limited to say 1 comp per year at most. I say this because in the months following up to comp she will eat less than 1500 calories mostly protein with little carbs / fat.

So strength will obviously take a fall, especially if she spends half the year in total prepping then no way going elite.

Gyzz you should realise that when I did the 140 for 10 deadlift I was already dieting and card depleted so realistically I could do no worse that I did at that point in time.

[Realtalk]

Why not do your bodybuilding this year then next get stronger and set some records if that is your goal. Will probably benefit your bodybuilding for the following year.

That is going to be the best way to do it and you will be most successful at both doing this way.

[nate225]

Personally I believe that you can be average at both or elite by focusing on one. By average I don't mean not competitive, I mean relative to your own potential. That said if you want to do a few comps give it a go.

And definitely nothing stopping you swapping back and forward a focusing training on one or the other to maximize results for that sport.

[Rebel101]

Personally I believe that you can be average at both or elite by focusing on one. By average I don't mean not competitive, I mean relative to your own potential. That said if you want to do a few comps give it a go.

And definitely nothing stopping you swapping back and forward a focusing training on one or the other to maximize results for that sport.

Thanks Nate, l never want to be average at anything and l have made a substantial investment in time necessary to do the sport as u well know it's not something you can just jump into.

Body building is exactly that "building" scrawny bodies do not meet my choice of physique.

I prefer the rounder fuller look of physique and will not compromise this standard.