Athletes - don't mix with doping cheats

[Pseudonym]

That's the message from Drug Free Sport NZ, who are warning athletes that they themselves "may be committing an offence if they associate in a professional or sport-related capacity with someone who is serving a ban for doping".

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11450525

 

What do you reckon? I understand that if someone receives a doping ban, you probably don't want them associated with the sport - even in a coaching role. But to penalise any other athletes as well seems a bit harsh, doesn't it?

[Realtalk]

It makes sense to me. If someone is a cheat in a tested sport they are more likely to Influence others to cheat as they have zero morals. It's also another avenue for income for the coach to sell drugs to his clients.

Even if he is a really good coach I don't think there is a place for that in drug free sport.

[Pseudonym]

Absolutely. That's what I mean - I totally get that part of it. Penalise the banned athlete by all means. Increase the ban if they breach their terms by coaching or whatever...

 

But to also penalise the people that they coach seems unfair to me.

[maccaz]

Absolutely. That's what I mean - I totally get that part of it. Penalise the banned athlete by all means. Increase the ban if they breach their terms by coaching or whatever...

 

But to also penalise the people that they coach seems unfair to me.

doubt there would be any legal basis to this lol, define association, what if they walk past each other at an event, is that association?

 

I would say its not a good look to be coached by someone who is a drugs cheat if you are claiming not to be, but doubt its punishable, and def arguable in court.

 

how would they define association, what about a relative? too much grey area its bs i reckon just trying to scare people.

[HarryB]

I thought it was interesting years ago when I was helping an ex of mine with her wraps at an IPF comp that if I put down I was coaching her then I could be subject to drug testing.

At the time it seemed like a massive wank but now with more clarity I get it. If you're a cheat then you're gonna think that way with your athletes.

They should just run juiced to the eyeballs events. . Oh hang on, they do.. they just pretend they don't

[GyzzBrah]

Well they probably mean more like associated with money / contracts etc that is a black and white area than just other forms of association.

[maccaz]

Well they probably mean more like associated with money / contracts etc that is a black and white area than just other forms of association.

even then, its bs

say some hero athletes business manager, or physiotherapist, or whatever, got done at some point, where do they draw the line.

 

il put money on noone ever getting done for associating with a cheater

[HarryB]

even then, its bs

say some hero athletes business manager, or physiotherapist, or whatever, got done at some point, where do they draw the line.

il put money on noone ever getting done for associating with a cheater

Pretty sure a few years ago every athlete training under linford Christie got a whole lot of extra attention due his failing of a drug test. Made it impossible for him to coach.

[maccaz]

Pretty sure a few years ago every athlete training under linford Christie got a whole lot of extra attention due his failing of a drug test. Made it impossible for him to coach.

oh yeah im sure its not a good look etc but surely they can't actually ban you for having a dodgy coach/whatever? dno

[HarryB]

oh yeah im sure its not a good look etc but surely they can't actually ban you for having a dodgy coach/whatever? dno

As I recall it was just an ultimatum. Anyone coached by him wasn't going to be able compete. Like a blanket ban.

[reddog]

this had been around for while, when i lifted in the ipf I once did a gym comp that a banned ipf lifter also lifted in few weeks later i Got a letter in the mail saying this time they would let me off with a written warning and next time i would have to face the board and risk been banned from the fed

[maccaz]

this had been around for while, when i lifted in the ipf I once did a gym comp that a banned ipf lifter also lifted in few weeks later i Got a letter in the mail saying this time they would let me off with a written warning and next time i would have to face the board and risk been banned from the fed

lol why would anyone want to be part of such a ott pack of wankers.

you fkn serious? thats the stupidest shit iv heard in a while.

how would you :

 

1. know who would be competing

2. do a background check on the people competing

 

what a fkn yarn

 

priority should be catching people actively cheating, not threatening people with bans for something mostly out of their control

 

fucking ridiculous imo

[maccaz]

if i got that letter id be returning to sender after seriously defacing it with some bodily fluids lol

[HarryB]

It's IPF essentially trying to force you to only do their comps and stay with just them. Ifbb does the same thing. You know cos they pay you and everything. ... oh hang on... yeah sorry my bad.. disregard.

[ThreeWhiteLights]

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[Realtalk]

Just removed a couple of posts. Let's try and not turn this into a shit slinging match between federations.

Be cautious naming individuals in relation to doping bans which can be damaging if your info or your sources info is incorrect.

And remember accusations of steroid use is not tolerated and is against forum rules.

[Pseudonym]

Agreed. The point of this topic was that it raised what I thought was an interesting principle to discuss. But I can see it getting derailed if we talk about it in a federation-specific bodybuilding or powerlifting sense - so let's keep it in a less political zone, in a sport like cycling or swimming!

 

So potentially, if I'm in a cycling squad, and I enter a friendly race that a banned cyclist also enters, I could be penalised too?

[Realtalk]

Don't think that would happen. You are banned from all cycling events if you are banned. Elite level right down to fundraiser ride level.

I think the banned athlete would be penalised for this rather than you i.e a longer ban. I hope this would be the case anyway as it makes more sense.

As for the coaching I'm not sure what happens there. Was a case relating to coaching not long ago in Olympic weightlifting a guy called Daniel Milne was involved in this kind of thing. Was in the media not sure if anybody else saw it.