Auckland bodybuilder kidnaps his 'brother'!

[GyzzBrah]

Deport them to where? Dont be racist this is a multicultural society we accept everybody here. Afterall lets reflect on our shameful opressive colonial past before we judge people.

[Kalidane]

Deportation is to the country of origin.

 

Also, there is a process for revoking citizenship.  Often followed by deportation.

 

Former g-man checking in

[Realtalk]

Deport them to where? Dont be racist this is a multicultural society we accept everybody here. Afterall lets reflect on our shameful opressive colonial past before we judge people.

Where they came from. Obviously.

And how is that being racist? Pot calling the kettle black there I think.

If my neighbours dog comes on my property and shits on my lawn in going to throw the dog shit back onto his property. Logical isn't it.

[crazyfacials]

Lol sometimes I wonder if I am on gymnation or some KKK rally site, what would happen if they were all white? Would you blame it on outside influence from people with different ethnic backgrounds?  Pretty sure there are Caucasian dodgy guys too, what's the punishment for them? Send them back to where their ancestors came from?

[HarryB]

Lol sometimes I wonder if I am on gymnation or some KKK rally site, what would happen if they were all white? Would you blame it on outside influence from people with different ethnic backgrounds? Pretty sure there are Caucasian dodgy guys too, what's the punishment for them? Send them back to where their ancestors came from?

Definitely negative influence of all those other ethnic groups. Truth is the white guy gets a suit on and his mum goes to court with him and wham... nothing happens. He he he

[Realtalk]

Lol sometimes I wonder if I am on gymnation or some KKK rally site, what would happen if they were all white? Would you blame it on outside influence from people with different ethnic backgrounds?  Pretty sure there are Caucasian dodgy guys too, what's the punishment for them? Send them back to where their ancestors came from?

It's got nothing to do with race or colour. If they came over here from Scotland or Russia and were white skinned it would really make no difference whatsoever to my view of them and the post I made. If someone is an immigrant and they commit crime what do you think should happen to them? It just seems like an easy and cost effective way to deal with the situation. Just my opinion anyway.

Some of you lot don't know what a racist really is. You would call a cop a racist if he was white, pulled you over and gave you a speeding ticket. Get real.

[maccaz]

Definitely negative influence of all those other ethnic groups. Truth is the white guy gets a suit on and his mum goes to court with him and wham... nothing happens. He he he

not true mate, speaking from experience.

good background counts against you when it comes to sentencing (no excuse etc)

[GyzzBrah]

Right well often people do not hold minorities to the same standard of behavioural expectations because society feels the need to let them get away from certain actions, mainly because the culture of 'white guilt' or progressiveness in general makes society believe that it's all somehow their fault and not the minorities fault for comitting crime. 

 

Classic examples are riots in america. You hurt a cop the cop can shoot you. But if your black apparently not the case.

Or muslim rape / riot gangs in britain 

[HarryB]

not true mate, speaking from experience.

good background counts against you when it comes to sentencing (no excuse etc)

Ba ha ha ha speaking from my experience.. stereotyped in court and in life.

[HarryB]

Do you guys ever take responsibility for your actions? Or just blame other people?

Do you mean me? I don't blame anyone but I can see when a person is just being a racist and making blanket offensive statements to be a keyboard tough guy.

I think it's somewhat hypocritical to on one hand have a persona that revolves around steroid use and pursue a sport that requires that use. And then on the other condemn people who are involved in the procurement and distribution of those drugs and say trite things like "send them back home" They're home already guys. NZ is where they live and where they are citizens. Every time you sit down and pin yourself you're breaking the law. Do you do that cos you come from a shit family and terrible culture???

Heaven forbid you guys ever get caught with steroids or for manufacture and distribution.

They're idiots that's for sure. And they're kiwis:)

[Realtalk]

Edit. Cbf.

[maccaz]

guts harry, guess they go hard on white and not white equally in court so we both get fucked over.

 

i dont give a f*ck what race they are, if sending them anywhere it should be into the middle of the ocean and they can try swim to somewhere (ideally sink though), same as if they were maori or many generation white nzers.

 

for the record im not racist

[soundsgood]

For the record this case was never about Steroids. 

 

It was about the kidnapping of Marven and the perverting the course of justice.

 

The background has just been released regarding Khalids next trial which is distribution of over a million dollars worth of Class B drugs.  This was suppressed during the trial but freely available to read now.  

 

If you think the police would spend that much time of what amounted to 10 bottles of Stan or whatever the restricted medicine pills they found in his car were you are kidding yourself.  They were after a much bigger fish.

 

The media reporting on this case was pretty unfair.  Painting the victim a certain way, he wasnt on trial.  In most other circumstances he would have got name suppression.  They were allowed to discuss the victims background but not the accused.

[maccaz]

yeah, should have been allowed to discuss both accused and victims background.

given the circumstance i think the background of the victim was pretty relevant. bit different to a kidnapping for ransom or whatever.

 

unsure why perverting course of justice wasn't applied for the forced affidavit. dunno.

 

in any case, its a pathetic move being involved in any illegal activities then snitching when you get beaten up/kidnapped/whatever as a result of your involvement in those activities. guts come with the glory etc.

 

if you go to the cops you're accepting they and maybe eventually media are going to look into everything you've been involved in so he did it to himself really.

[Pseudonym]

The media reporting on this case was pretty unfair.  Painting the victim a certain way, he wasnt on trial.  In most other circumstances he would have got name suppression.  They were allowed to discuss the victims background but not the accused.

I take your point, but as Maccaz says, in this case the background of the victim was a core part of the argument from the defence - ie, that Marven was making it up to save his arse. You couldn't present that argument to the jury without also presenting his background to them.

 

The reason the media wasn't allowed to report the background of the accused was because it can prejudice the jury, which means they then need to abort the trial. As they already did on two previous occasions!

 

I know it seems like a double standard, saying that knowing the background of the accused might sway the jury unfairly, and yet it's perfectly alright for them to know the background of the victim. But I guess it's the accused that's being judged, and they're innocent until proven guilty, therefore they need that protection. Whereas the victim's not on trial, and in his background has already been found guilty.

 

#armchair-lawyer

 

 

As for name suppression, that's certainly not automatic (although I know it happens so often you might easily think it was). The default position is no name suppression unless there are special circumstances that warrant it.

[Riccardo]

Do you mean me? I don't blame anyone but I can see when a person is just being a racist and making blanket offensive statements to be a keyboard tough guy.

I think it's somewhat hypocritical to on one hand have a persona that revolves around steroid use and pursue a sport that requires that use. And then on the other condemn people who are involved in the procurement and distribution of those drugs and say trite things like "send them back home" They're home already guys. NZ is where they live and where they are citizens. Every time you sit down and pin yourself you're breaking the law. Do you do that cos you come from a shit family and terrible culture???

Heaven forbid you guys ever get caught with steroids or for manufacture and distribution.

They're idiots that's for sure. And they're kiwis:)

I dunno about born kiwis but whatevs, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the opinions about the individuals discussed in this thread have nothing to do with the fact that they supply "gear"...

[maccaz]

Any update on this ?

[nate225]

For the record this case was never about Steroids.

It was about the kidnapping of Marven and the perverting the course of justice.

The background has just been released regarding Khalids next trial which is distribution of over a million dollars worth of Class B drugs. This was suppressed during the trial but freely available to read now.

If you think the police would spend that much time of what amounted to 10 bottles of Stan or whatever the restricted medicine pills they found in his car were you are kidding yourself. They were after a much bigger fish.

The media reporting on this case was pretty unfair. Painting the victim a certain way, he wasnt on trial. In most other circumstances he would have got name suppression. They were allowed to discuss the victims background but not the accused.

You are correct Hamish but I guess people here know Marven's reputation (rightly or wrongly) as a drug dealer and con artist. The fact that certain things were made public domain in the trial and published in the papers probably only adds fuel to the rumours.

At the end of the day the attention will only be a flash in the pan while we wait for the next lot of idiots to take the spotlight....and that's probably well underway in Tga already....

D's the guy I feel for. Decent guy with a couple of good (and legit) businesses that get caught up in the silliness of all this stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with him. But I guess that happens to any business that employs staff eventually - then it's usually my job to find a reason to fire them and not get cleaned up at the ERA!!!

Perhaps put me on speed dial H just incase a MF employee does an armo or something lol

[maccaz]

end of the day right or wrong (who cares). you get involved in questionable/dodgy/criminal/dishonest (or all of the above) dealings you are taking the risk that one day in some form or other it will become public knowledge.

 

 

if you want to involve yourself in anything like this you are taking the risk (probably tiny but a risk nonetheless) that your name will one day be fucked when something else related or unrelated comes up.

 

maybe not fair but thats how it is and only an idiot or a baby is going to be upset about that, risks are calculated, can't have a cry just because you draw a shit hand

[Riccardo]

You would think though, that its just basic due diligence to investigate the reputation and integrity of your franchisees when making a decision on whether or not to offer them a contract.

Unless of course he knew and was willing to give him the opportunity anyway.

[Realtalk]

Ignorance or stupidity? Hmm that's 50/50.