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working out all day vs an hour

James2133

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Riccardo
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Hate to burst your bubble FUBU but doctors quite often know very little when it comes to exercise physiology, so I'm telling you, yes she is wrong. Short term aberrations in cortisol do not eat

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Cot damn, why is it people think that just because they read an article on the net it makes it true? You do realise any moron with an Internet connection can make up some bullshit like pancakes

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You don't need big legs or much muscle mass at all to run marathons. What you do need is very efficient muscles, with a high mitochondrial density and plenty of storage for glycogen. Glycogen is

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Seems I was right. I was reading this article tonight and once again it justifies everything I said in my previous posts. It's also backed by research of blood samples taken.

 

Here is the link: http://jasonferruggia.com/how-long-should-your-workout-last/\

 

I firmly believe this article. I started this training method at the beginning of the year and my gains have been the best I have ever seen. I always keep my workouts under 60 minutes now.

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Rich piana has a 8 hour arm workout that apparently adds half an inch to your arms. But yeah. No thanks

He's on steroids though, that really doesn't count. Natty people would lose 1/2 an inch if they were to try it.

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Seems I was right. I was reading this article tonight and once again it justifies everything I said in my previous posts. It's also backed by research of blood samples taken.

 

Here is the link: http://jasonferruggia.com/how-long-should-your-workout-last/\

 

I firmly believe this article. I started this training method at the beginning of the year and my gains have been the best I have ever seen. I always keep my workouts under 60 minutes now.

No, you're not. There's also not a single academic paper linked in that article, so I don't know why you're saying it's backed by research by giving that as evidence. Though what it states is true, your testosterone will rise to a point, and then it will begin declining and cortisol will begin rising. What you don't understand, and what has been explained earlier, is that doesn't matter. Acute changes in those hormonal levels contribute effectively nothing to body composition. Acute meaning short term, meaning in response to a workout. Chronic, meaning long term, changes in hormonal levels do have an effect on body composition. Hence why guys injecting testosterone get jacked, they always have high levels of testosterone, and also why people who are chronically stressed out or have chronically high cortisol levels can have muscle wastage, along with many other health issues. Muscle wastage is pretty far down the list of important things when it comes to chronically elevated cortisol.

You're also suffering from confirmation bias, it worked for you so you're looking for ways to justify and prove it. It works, great. That doesn't mean other methods don't work, or that method is the greatest.

All of this has already been explained to you, try reading the thread again and then do some researching into the effects of acute versus chronic hormonal changes. Testosterone, Cortisol, Insulin, Growth Hormone, Ghrelin, Leptin. All of those would be useful to know, they're all powerful hormones with very different outcomes when considering acute versus chronic changes.

 

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Cot damn, why is it people think that just because they read an article on the net it makes it true? You do realise any moron with an Internet connection can make up some bullshit like pancakes make you gay, write an article about it, cite absolutely No peer reviewed research and claim it as truth?

It doesn't matter what you believe, doesn't make it right and your example of your best gains coming from this program is pure confirmation bias. Just listen to people who actually know what they're talking about, we aren't disagreeing with you for the sake of it or to feel superior or to sell you something or get you to follow a shitty website or athlete page, we're telling you because that's what this forum is about, sharing knowledge.

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No, you're not. There's also not a single academic paper linked in that article, so I don't know why you're saying it's backed by research by giving that as evidence. Though what it states is true, your testosterone will rise to a point, and then it will begin declining and cortisol will begin rising. What you don't understand, and what has been explained earlier, is that doesn't matter. Acute changes in those hormonal levels contribute effectively nothing to body composition. Acute meaning short term, meaning in response to a workout. Chronic, meaning long term, changes in hormonal levels do have an effect on body composition. Hence why guys injecting testosterone get jacked, they always have high levels of testosterone, and also why people who are chronically stressed out or have chronically high cortisol levels can have muscle wastage, along with many other health issues. Muscle wastage is pretty far down the list of important things when it comes to chronically elevated cortisol.

You're also suffering from confirmation bias, it worked for you so you're looking for ways to justify and prove it. It works, great. That doesn't mean other methods don't work, or that method is the greatest.

All of this has already been explained to you, try reading the thread again and then do some researching into the effects of acute versus chronic hormonal changes. Testosterone, Cortisol, Insulin, Growth Hormone, Ghrelin, Leptin. All of those would be useful to know, they're all powerful hormones with very different outcomes when considering acute versus chronic changes.

 

Okay, Phedder.

 

Going back to the original question that James posted.

 

Why not work out all day long with a few sets then a 30 minute break. Then maybe some more sets then an hour or whatever?

Wouldn't your muscle become more fatigued and grow bigger if you worked out all day long?

 

I was originally pointing out cortisol in relation to the question above^^^

 

Define what you mean by 'chronically high cortisol levels'. After you stated at the beginning of your message that: 'There's also not a single academic paper linked in that article, so I don't know why you're saying it's backed by research by giving that as evidence.' Your basically contradicting yourself, ain't you? 

 

 You seem to conjecture me, yet you seem to have no stable evidence or research to back up what you say. I know what Riccardo was saying in his message. Can you show me where he had the evidence or research to back up what he said? Riccardo did say: Cortisol when elevated for long periods of time may cause unfavourable changes in body composition. But he had no research to back up his shiz. Elevated for long periods of time. What does that even mean? Does it mean 2, 3, 4, 5, 6+ hours.

 

I was only using cortisol in reference to James's question. For working out all day long.

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Fubu i believe by chronic he means ongoing long term as in elevated cortisol for weeks/months eventually having a negative effect.

Does he mean that? Until the proof is in the pudding, then I will believe with my own eyes.

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I already explained in my original post why working out all day long is not a good idea and it didn't really have anything to do with cortisol.

As for providing evidence as to why take a read of this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3371329/

To summarise: acute fluctuations in testosterone and GH only exhibit a weak correlation with lean body mass or fiber cross sectional area, secondly cortisol actually shows a stronger positive correlation with LBM and fiber CSA than either GH or testosterone!

Cortisol as I mentioned earlier is important in modulating inflammation and when elevated during exercise 'is probably just an indicator that you've had a good training session rather than signalling the start of muscle wasting' - Layne Norton.

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