What bodybuilders can learn from powerlifting

[Pseudonym]

Train hard and smart. Not hard and dumb. Difference.

Josef rakich trains harder than anyone I know. He one of the dumbest trainers I ever known too. Good example there. No offence.

What he's doing still seems to work for him, though. But are you saying his gains are in spite of his training, rather than because of it?

 

Let's not get too sidetracked into Rakich's particular situation (because I realise you're just using him as an example)... But In what sense is his type of training dumb? And how would you train smarter?

[Realtalk]

I'm referring to swinging weights, picking weights that are too heavy for you. Bicep curls and side lateral raises turning into a hyperextension exercise. using a seated shoukder press machine as a shrug machine by standing on the seat and shrugging the handles, sitting side ways on a seated chest press. pushing horizontally across your body.... This goes on so much at wolfs gym with trainers there using machines for other uses than they are meant for... It's like "walk into a gym and look at all the machines and think how we can use them in ways they aren't designed for" lol. It's dumb.

It's like we as people in the gym have this mentality that simple is inferior. And the more complicated or innovative we can make shit the bigger and better our results will be. Iv never bought into this and feel sorry for the people that do.

[jingleballs]

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=c71_1428447914

Here's a video of what bodybuilders can learn from powerlifters to not do!

[HarryB]

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=c71_1428447914

Here's a video of what bodybuilders can learn from powerlifters to not do!

You push your limits and this kind of thing happens. It's never pretty but beats playing safe every time you lift

[Realtalk]

thats what happens when have 280kg on back and you break at the knees and not the hips. If watch video couple times you see he first bends his knees then remembers to sit back but it's too late. He was prob nervous cause a big weight. Not nice, ouch!

[HarryB]

You learn a whole lot more from failing than you do if you never push yourself. My little bro does the pl in the vdfpa and in his training often fails at weights. But that's his process until he gets them.

[trainlikeafreak]

Real talk come on man... Simple is too simple... What about the "secrets " that all the big guys use... Oh hang on it's the small scientists who have those lol

[AuntMaud]

Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum.
I'm by no means an expert, but I thought I would share my experience in this area.

The main mistake I think I made when I was starting out, was that I pretty much copied the same workouts done by hardcore bodybuilders. I focused more on 'feel' and hypertrophy, working to failure etc.

I didn't realize at the time that the needs of a hardcore bodybuilder on gear were actually very different to the needs of a natty amateur like me that was just starting out.

Those guys have insanely short recovery times and are well suited to hypertrophy styled workouts, I've also heard that the 'pumps' they can get, are actually big enough to tear the muscle fiber and therefore increase size as it recovers. (whereas normally the size is gained because of the lateral tearing of the muscle as the movement is executed).

After about 6 months I was hitting a brick wall, my lifts weren't going up and I wasn't putting on much size despite working out 5-6 days a week and having my diet on point. My powerlifting friend was making better gains than I was, and he didn't even care about size.

Long story short I swapped out for a strength style routine focusing on progressive overload instead of hypertrophy, and the experience has been awesome. I have since been experiencing significant gains in both strength and size, and I find it pretty motivating to be able to log my progress, which I couldn't really do on my 'feel based' bodybuilding routine.





 

[Rebel101]

Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum.

I'm by no means an expert, but I thought I would share my experience in this area.

The main mistake I think I made when I was starting out, was that I pretty much copied the same workouts done by hardcore bodybuilders. I focused more on 'feel' and hypertrophy, working to failure etc.

I didn't realize at the time that the needs of a hardcore bodybuilder on gear were actually very different to the needs of a natty amateur like me that was just starting out.

Those guys have insanely short recovery times and are well suited to hypertrophy styled workouts, I've also heard that the 'pumps' they can get, are actually big enough to tear the muscle fiber and therefore increase size as it recovers. (whereas normally the size is gained because of the lateral tearing of the muscle as the movement is executed).

After about 6 months I was hitting a brick wall, my lifts weren't going up and I wasn't putting on much size despite working out 5-6 days a week and having my diet on point. My powerlifting friend was making better gains than I was, and he didn't even care about size.

Long story short I swapped out for a strength style routine focusing on progressive overload instead of hypertrophy, and the experience has been awesome. I have since been experiencing significant gains in both strength and size, and I find it pretty motivating to be able to log my progress, which I couldn't really do on my 'feel based' bodybuilding routine.

Welcome to Gymnation, nice post!

[Realtalk]

Hey guys, this is my first post on the forum.

I'm by no means an expert, but I thought I would share my experience in this area.

The main mistake I think I made when I was starting out, was that I pretty much copied the same workouts done by hardcore bodybuilders. I focused more on 'feel' and hypertrophy, working to failure etc.

I didn't realize at the time that the needs of a hardcore bodybuilder on gear were actually very different to the needs of a natty amateur like me that was just starting out.

Those guys have insanely short recovery times and are well suited to hypertrophy styled workouts, I've also heard that the 'pumps' they can get, are actually big enough to tear the muscle fiber and therefore increase size as it recovers. (whereas normally the size is gained because of the lateral tearing of the muscle as the movement is executed).

After about 6 months I was hitting a brick wall, my lifts weren't going up and I wasn't putting on much size despite working out 5-6 days a week and having my diet on point. My powerlifting friend was making better gains than I was, and he didn't even care about size.

Long story short I swapped out for a strength style routine focusing on progressive overload instead of hypertrophy, and the experience has been awesome. I have since been experiencing significant gains in both strength and size, and I find it pretty motivating to be able to log my progress, which I couldn't really do on my 'feel based' bodybuilding routine.

Structure. I think it probably comes down to this. I mentioned it earlier in the thread. You probably had no structure when you first began which really gives no results. Strength programs are built around a well thought out structure. As soon as you introduce this you got results. Try apply some structure to a hypertrophy program And you will get results too more than likley.