is anyone lucky and get no sides from tren?

[daywalker]

hey everyone.

curious to know of the people who have used tren, who here doesn't get any side effects what so ever?

reason I ask is I'm 8 days into my tren ace cycle and haven't got any of the sides people always talk about. I guess I was expecting them because of reading all the horror stories. I know you shouldn't judge gear by the sides but thought there would be some. also I'm only 8 days in so it maybe a case of just waiting a little longer for it to fully build up in my system

[cruxis]

After 8 days you should have seen some sort of strength gain.

 

You talking about the obvious side effects ? Becuase I did not get much night sweats or insomnia or excessive sweating to. Nothing but good gains.

 

BUT its the invisible sides that I really got, and that only shows in a blood test . After 6 weeks. My blood pressure went to 149/90.

My Chol/HDL ratio went from 3.2 to 20.6!!

Cholesterol went from 5.0 to 10.3

My LDL Cholesterol went from 3.2 to 9.1

My HDL Cholesterol went from 1.5 to 0.5

Triglycerides went form 0.6 to 1.5

 

But they have returned to normal again after cycle.

[daywalker]

After 8 days you should have seen some sort of strength gain.

You talking about the obvious side effects ? Becuase I did not get much night sweats or insomnia or excessive sweating to. Nothing but good gains.

BUT its the invisible sides that I really got, and that only shows in a blood test . After 6 weeks. My blood pressure went to 149/90.

My Chol/HDL ratio went from 3.2 to 20.6!!

Cholesterol went from 5.0 to 10.3

My LDL Cholesterol went from 3.2 to 9.1

My HDL Cholesterol went from 1.5 to 0.5

Triglycerides went form 0.6 to 1.5

But they have returned to normal again after cycle.

no noticeable strength gains yet. but I read that usually comes in week 2 or 3. the only thing I've really got is I dream more often and I wake up earlier but that could be down to a number of different factors

[ngapuhi strong]

first time i tried went with low dose because of all horror storys i heard about sides, i sweated 24/7 even more so at night, no probs getting to sleep but was waking up before alarm every morning. next time different source no sides at all on half gram a week, still got pretty good gains.

p.s handing in natty card lol 

[maccaz]

first time i tried went with low dose because of all horror storys i heard about sides, i sweated 24/7 even more so at night, no probs getting to sleep but was waking up before alarm every morning. next time different source no sides at all on half gram a week, still got pretty good gains.

p.s handing in natty card lol 

 

curious, when you say sleep affected, did you feel tired from missing the sleep or did you just not need the sleep?

[ngapuhi strong]

curious, when you say sleep affected, did you feel tired from missing the sleep or did you just not need the sleep?

was crazy, normally if i have bad sleep i feel like crap next day but on ten id have disrupted sleep and wake an hour earlyer but felt like id had enough sleep

[cruxis]

Your pee should get darker. Around 2-3 weeks in.

[FUBU]

@Ngapuhi and @Cruxis. Would you take tren again if you could? Even though the side effects are quite dangerous, especially the invisible sides. I was reading the past threads and they say that you should not take on it's own and that it's better taken with test.

[daywalker]

was crazy, normally if i have bad sleep i feel like crap next day but on ten id have disrupted sleep and wake an hour earlyer but felt like id had enough sleep

I'm getting the same feeling

[ngapuhi strong]

@Ngapuhi and @Cruxis. Would you take tren again if you could? Even though the side effects are quite dangerous, especially the invisible sides. I was reading the past threads and they say that you should not take on it's own and that it's better taken with test.

HELL YEA, i thought test gave a boost in grrr factor in gym till i done tren, was whole new level, could train like crazy for couple hours and still feel like doing more,

my bp sits in low range so not worried about increase.

i dont drink so not worried about liver, im sure most people do more harm to them selfs in a couple of weekends of binge drinking then im doing to it,

was worried about the so called rage cause when i did use to drink i would go bit jake the muss sometimes and as im stay home dad to young kids was worried they would get me super angry over nothing but never really happened, would get super shitty at being horny all da time and mrs not willing to put out multipul times a day

ive always read and been told to take with low dose test to keep the dick hard lol, cant imagine anything worse then being horny all time but being limp .

as for gains, i seamed to be able to increase cals ,weight stayed same but from pics dropped lot of fat,

still got to work hard and eat right

[cruxis]

@Ngapuhi and @Cruxis. Would you take tren again if you could? Even though the side effects are quite dangerous, especially the invisible sides. I was reading the past threads and they say that you should not take on it's own and that it's better taken with test.

Yes, See if I can make some improvements while on. Diet wise. As they return to normal quickly when I go off.

[atrollappears]

Usual lethargy, and sweating, but never had gyno or other obvious issues... Certainly nothing from Tren...

 

Although heart has taken a bit of a pounding over the years, which has become apparent recently...

[daywalker]

maybe it's just me. I haven't had any other side effects from other aas I've used either

[Dreadmouse]

250mg test P and 525mg tren A per week and i sweat a lot more than usual. both in and out of the gym. Sleep is a little more restless but thats about it. Same as above blood tests shows Cholesterol is all out of whack 

[Pseudonym]

Although heart has taken a bit of a pounding over the years, which has become apparent recently...

How so? That sounds pretty serious?

[atrollappears]

How so? That sounds pretty serious?

 

Yep first noticed high BP, and it kinda went from there...

34 years of compounds eventually take its toll, especially to cardiac tissue..

[Skeletor]

Could you safely take a low dose of test continuously through your life without causing any real harm to your body do you think? Say in the range of 250-500mg per week ?

[atrollappears]

Could you safely take a low dose of test continuously through your life without causing any real harm to your body do you think? Say in the range of 250-500mg per week ?

 

Don't think anyone could seriously answer that.. Dependant on too many factors..

Unsure about test only, but nandrolone and boldenone might be best avoiding as you get older.. 

[atrollappears]

Any medication that controls blood pressure (an inotrope) and to a lesser extent pulse rate (a chronotrope) while on AAS will reduce or prevent left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH) - this includes diuretics, beta blockers, alpha blockers, calcium channel blockers, ACE inhibitors as well as ARBs. But LVH in itself is not necessarily an issue. It often reflects the fact that bodybuilders have developed the significantly superior heart function and strength required to shift large weights and feed powerful muscles - what would be called an 'athletic' adaptation.

The problem is when this coincides with fibrosis in cardiovascular tissues. In this instance fibrosis is the deposition of less flexible collagen not just in the heart but in arteries and veins across the body. This seems to occur directly and indirectly as a result of AAS use, and some AAS are worse than others - eg Deca is notoriously bad. This extra collagen makes the cardiovascular tissues a bit 'stiffer' and increases the pressure (force) required by the heart to pump blood through the body (increases the 'load').

As a result, a rather less healthy (and structurally maladaptive) deposition of new muscle (LVH) will occur in an attempt to overcome the strain of the increasing load, and once past a certain size, it begins to reduce the efficiency of the heart as a pump. But the fibrosis also affects things like the passage of nerve impulses across the heart (often resulting in atrial fibrillation or heart block, for example), and interferes with the essential growth of new blood vessels (angiogenesis) to the new cardiac muscle, potentially starving these tissues of oxygen, resulting in pain (angina), necrosis and scarring. And the scarring makes the heart even more inflexible, and is thus basically a very unwelcome positive feedback loop.

All these outcomes are incredibly unhealthy for the heart, and probably explain why some powerlifters/bodybuilders (anecdotally, and I suppose relative to their otherwise incredibly healthy looking bodies) seem to suffer disproportionately from heart attacks, afib etc etc. ARBs are unusual in their ability to reverse tissue fibrosis, and as a bonus can also reduce blood pressure, which is a major trigger for unhealthy LVH. N-acetylcysteine has potentially been shown to have benefits in reducing fibrosis, but these unfortunately cancel out those of the ARB!

 

To clarify, fibrosis can be reversed, though it's unlikely to be fully, and not in everyone. And the damage to other tissues such as heart valves (due to fibrotic stiffness and years of elevated BP and raised PCV) is unlikely to be reversed.

Prevention is logically going to be a safer course of action. Unfortunately, though some compounds are thought to be harsher, there is scant human research (for obvious reasons).

BP medication should still be in everyone's arsenal though: even beyond the fibrosis aspect, controlling elevated blood pressure and the effects of raised haematocrit (PCV) should be universally important for all AAS using bodybuilders.

This means giving blood on a regular basis would also be wise (or doing it yourself via vacuum tubes if you've the balls lol).

And as for pre-workout stimulants dramatically aggravating all of the effects we've just been discussing.... LOL.