Chiro... Is it a scam?

[Realtalk]

Its not a police matter if you don't pay.. Its a civil matter.. If you are ever unhappy with a service, just don't pay. It really is that simple..

The service provider has a choice, to chase you through court for or debt collectors for $... You have the opportunity to defend your reason for not paying whether it be through the debt collectors or though the courts.. 

Years ago, had some idiot take me to the debt collectors for not paying for a service I wasn't happy with.. I rang the debt collectors, and asked that they hurry up and take it to court so that I could give my side of the story.. I explained why I refused to pay and told them they would not be getting a cent off me..

Debt collectors dropped it on the spot.

If you are ever unhappy with a service, DO NOT PAY until you are 100% happy with the outcome..

Shot me that's me with club physical then.

[maccaz]

Shot me that's me with club physical then.

yeah so email debitsuccess if they still use debitsuccess

write a big yarn that the service isnt the same as when you signed up so you dont want it any more thanks

tell them to stop all payments and call ur bank tell them to stop the direct debits

 

too much hassle for them to take u to court

[trainlikeafreak]

I go to ed Timmons at back in action in ponsonby regularly and rate it big time. Fixes any problems real quick

[Riccardo]

Yes chiro is a scam, proven time again to be pseudoscience.

[Hu Gh]

Yes chiro is a scam, proven time again to be pseudoscience.

Voice of reason.

Lol at cupping and acupuncture. My cousin who is religious believes (and swears by it) that he saw a blind man's sight fixed in PNG by someone laying their hands on him and praying. There is no shortage of idiots in this world.

[Kalidane]

Voice of reason.

Lol at cupping and acupuncture. My cousin who is religious believes (and swears by it) that he saw a blind man's sight fixed in PNG by someone laying their hands on him and praying. There is no shortage of idiots in this world.

 

Sweet baby jeebus

 

"It's real!  I saw it work!"

 

Any chance the patient was the nephew of the practitioner and is cured on a weekly basis?

 

fricking lol

[ThreeWhiteLights]

Voice of reason.

Lol at cupping and acupuncture. My cousin who is religious believes (and swears by it) that he saw a blind man's sight fixed in PNG by someone laying their hands on him and praying. There is no shortage of idiots in this world.

Great anecdote would read again

[Viking-strongman]

Yeah bro I go to chiro and sometimes acu. I don't give a f*ck if it don't work in the long term sure it shit feel better afterwards. Also the popping and cracking is music to my ears. I can crack my own neck and back but there's just certain areas I just can't reach. Realtalk I recommend you try. If you don't like don't go again.

[Realtalk]

Yeah bro I go to chiro and sometimes acu. I don't give a f*ck if it don't work in the long term sure it shit feel better afterwards. Also the popping and cracking is music to my ears. I can crack my own neck and back but there's just certain areas I just can't reach. Realtalk I recommend you try. If you don't like don't go again.

https://youtu.be/Td70LB4Ypmc

[Dinahlady]

One thing I didn't understand about chiropractors and the health care system  (Riccardo could correct me if I'm wrong as I'm not 100% on ALL the details) is that if you actually have something wrong with you (e.g. a slipped disc in lumbar, or a torn muscle/ligament) then chiropractors and osteopaths (as private practitioners) aren't linked up to the public health services to refer you to any further public services e.g. X-rays, MRI's, or other specialists like sports medicine doctors, surgeons etc. So you could go on with a niggly injury that doesn't get any better (that turns out to some kind of tear or disc issue) for months or years without being treated correctly. 

 

Physios can and should refer on if you aren't getting better. If you go to a respected physio practice this should be commonplace if required. Sometimes you need to stomp your feet a bit if you have boarderline symptoms, but the services are there. 

 

With chiropractors/osteopaths - If you actually have something wrong with you like a slipped disc or tear, even if they suspect it, all they can do is tell you to private imaging (possibly out of pocket) or direct you to a doctor or physio to request a specialist or imaging. I doubt (just opinion) most want you to go through the public route as if you do you will probably down the line be referred to a physio and they will lose your business. 

 

If they send you for private Xrays it will be the chiropractor/osteopath who reviews the images. Obviously it's personal choice but imo I would prefer a specialist who is highly trained and encounters Xrays multiple times on a daily basis for years requesting the angles and reviewing my images, rather than a chiropractor/osteopath.

 

I'm also not entirely sure if the chiropractic model even considers any other medical treatment as effective?... personally, I find it hard to trust a profession who's qualifications aren't evidnce based, and evidence isn't the top priority in their treatment either.

 

If you have had an ongoing injury you may know that after time it can get easier to manage and injury and the pain associated with it - but that ain't fixing the problem. Most of the time chiropractors/osteopaths don't go on anything else other than ask how you're feeling (which might just be how you are coping with your injury/dysfunction now that you've had it for so long). The point is - how do you know without objective measures?

 

This obviously isn't for every chiropractor/osteopath as I am sure there are GC's out there too who want people to get the best care. But the bottom line is most chiropractors/osteopaths aren't connected to other services like physios or doctors are and so you may miss out on care and services that you need... 

[Riccardo]

They can and are supposed to refer patients when needed. gowever you raise an important point. I would trust a physio to know when to refer me to a specialist but would I trust a chiro? Hell no!

People love to rag on physicians and claim they're under the thumb of big pharma and other such conspiracy theories, however in today's world of corporate compliance and ethical standards it really is fiction. However let's take a look at chiropractic for a second, they rely on patients coming back for income. They rinse ACC for all they're worth and more often than not charge a fee, greater than that of an actual physician, on top of the ACC subsidy. If a surgeon decides some sort of rehab is necessary, he will refer back to a physio, not a chiro. its therefore not financially in the chiros interest to refer to a specialist and although that should be a moral decision, would you trust the ethics of a practitioner of pseudoscience? I know I wouldn't.

[GyzzBrah]

Apparently their not bad at fixing actual spine issues

 

from what I recall the practice is 2 centuries old from a time when people believed in snake oil and tried to find a 1 cure fix all kinda thing. So they supposedly thought that spine issues were the cause of everything.

 

Im probs the first one to come to the defence of business at the expense of consumers but shouldnt there be any kind of law against pseudo science at all? Like its completly fucking unethical which is why medicinal practicioners have strict guidelines etc, but change the name to 'alternative' medicine and your now in a completley different industry and exempt from whatever laws there might be.

[Pseudonym]

This obviously isn't for every chiropractor/osteopath as I am sure there are GC's out there too who want people to get the best care. But the bottom line is most chiropractors/osteopaths aren't connected to other services like physios or doctors are and so you may miss out on care and services that you need... 

 

My sister is an osteopath (one of the GCs, obviously) so I thought I'd ask her opinion on this. I have to say, she was quite indignant at you lumping osteos in with chiros.

 

Here are her main points....

 

First of all, osteos do have direct access to public x-rays and ultrasound facilities through ACC. That means they get the imaging specialists to photograph and interpret, just as physios do. Only MRI requires a referral from a surgeon (and I think that's for the same for physios).

 

As far as referrals go, they definitely suggest other avenues if they feel they're not making progress with a patient. To perservere just makes everyone frustrated, and that's certainly not good for business.

 

Anecdotally, she gets a lot of patients coming to her after seeing a physio they were dissatisfied with - many hadn't even been touched by their physio - they'd just been hooked up to the electrodes of a TENS machine and left to it. Although she also said every practitioner would have other people's dissatisfied patients, so don't read too much into that.

 

Finally, she pointed out that FWIW, osteos train for 5 years to get a masters degree. Physios train for 4. :wink:

[crazyfacials]

oh wow, and here I paid 70 buck for my x rays with the chiro, she does a good job but that 70 bucks could have gone to something more useful since the x ray showed crap all

[Wongmania]

I see a chiro occasionally. I walk out feeling pretty awesome.

I still find it hard to see the difference between a physio and chiro, just the chiro for me is more instant joy than a physio. Whether fast is good. I dunno.

[donz]

Haha some awesome posts in here! I've seen chiros for years due to spinal / twisting stuff from bowling in cricket, always fixed me up a treat even when I had an issue with minor whip lash. I saw one again not long ago for hip adjustment it's cheap as chips here cos you get ACC and also a discount for lifting at Powerhouse gym cos he has so many clients who power lift. It's never done any harm and always seems to fix me up so f*ck who cares if it's "unproven" or "pseudoscience" from my pov lol