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Yeah, I hadn't forgotten the Summer Challenge - I just haven't had any spare brain cells to do anything about it. We should definitely do something... but right now all my focus is on Gymnation 2.0.

What do we think about doing this a bit later - actually over summer, as opposed to in the leadup to it?

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Yeah, I hadn't forgotten the Summer Challenge - I just haven't had any spare brain cells to do anything about it. We should definitely do something... but right now all my focus is on Gymnation 2.0.

What do we think about doing this a bit later - actually over summer, as opposed to in the leadup to it?

im keen for either or, i just know that i would have had more chance from now till end of decemberish.  Will go for Photo of the month anyway!

 

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What do the challenges consist of pseudo? Still new here lol.

http://www.gymnation.co.nz/forum/general-chitchat/gymnation-summer-chall...

Please give us females our own categories it is too hard competing against the males!

it's based on votes... majority of the site is males, let that sink in a bit. also Dinahlady won last year and I'll have you know there were plenty dominant male competitors in that category such as myself so it's not impossible for females to participate/win these.

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I agree the weightlifting calculations for females were rediculous last time. Figured out you'd have to lift pretty much NZ records to beat more than a few males on here for wilks.

If we did it again I probably wouldn't compete but I'd be keen to get 4 or 5 of my clients to compete in a weightlifting one if there was a female novice section! 

 

 

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Have a female section by all means but the prize pool for the females should also be proportionally smaller as the number of participants are likely going to be a fraction of male competitors.

Ohhhh what a terrible attitude a female works no less hard to achieve results.

The reason females do not participate more here is because they have no alternative but to compete with males and as Dinahlady says to place well we would have to produce National records, how many of the male members are doing that in the Gymnation Challenges.

I guess one alternative is to apply a scaling factor, who wants to figure that one out?.

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Have a female section by all means but the prize pool for the females should also be proportionally smaller as the number of participants are likely going to be a fraction of male competitors.

Ohhhh what a terrible attitude a female works no less hard to achieve results.

The reason females do not participate more here is because they have no alternative but to compete with males and as Dinahlady says to place well we would have to produce National records, how many of the male members are doing that in the Gymnation Challenges.

I guess one alternative is to apply a scaling factor, who wants to figure that one out?.

Wilks Coefficient, which is what was used in the last competition. 

If we take the results from this years IPF Classic World Champs, and ignore Sergey Fedosienko as an outlier (guy's an absolute freak, truly gifted for the sport)

The top 3 Wilks scores for Open Men and Women

Men - (87 total competitiors)

543,65

534,47

531,96

Women - (60 total competitors)

533,51

527,92

514,93

They're actually quite similar, especially given the popularity and involvement in the sport by women. 

The reason our female competitors would have had to reach near or above NZ record standards

in the last competition is simply that our female records really aren't that high. We don't have high

participation numbers for females here in NZ, it's improving, but certainly not a big pool to draw from.

If we had more females taking powerlifting seriously, the records would likely be much higher. It's a

numbers game. 

Those top 2 womens wilks are higher than NZ's best male lifter, who has multiple world records and

medals. It's certainly possible girls!

Edit: Here's also a comparison from this years NZ nationals

Men -

467.9

456.0

451.9

Women -

409.9

397.0

394.1

A much bigger difference than at the World Champs. Nothing wrong with the formula, just shows how skewed NZ is. 

 

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Men - (87 total competitiors)

543,65

534,47

531,96

Women - (60 total competitors)

533,51

527,92

514,93

But the women there are pro powerlifters, and the women here are mostly bikini / fitness enthusiasts?

maybe they shouldn't compete in a strength based comp then lol.

also can we have a class for weaker phaggots like me lol jk it's a competition for a phucking reason

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Men - (87 total competitiors)

543,65

534,47

531,96

Women - (60 total competitors)

533,51

527,92

514,93

But the women there are pro powerlifters, and the women here are mostly bikini / fitness enthusiasts?

Not really. Pro powerlifter is kind of a misnomer, they don't really exist. No one makes a living from powerlifting, they can make a living from running gyms and their own training businesses/seminars etc, but they don't get paid to powerlift. Those NZ results aren't from Bikini/fitness enthusiasts either, they're from powerlifters, competiting at a powerlifting competition. I'd agree that worldwide, and NZ as well, bikini/fitness is much much more popular than strength sports, especially for females. 

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Men - (87 total competitiors)

543,65

534,47

531,96

Women - (60 total competitors)

533,51

527,92

514,93

But the women there are pro powerlifters, and the women here are mostly bikini / fitness enthusiasts?

whats your point? why should you scale a powerlifting competition to make it easier for non powerlifters to win? thats like going to a bikini/bodybuilding competition and adjusting their score higher based on their strength because a powerlifter decided he/she wanted to compete but wasn't quite lean enough. compete in your own class and aim to be the best. the wilks factors everything in, it's not completely unfair, though there will be the obvious advantageous situations such as chubby people more suited to doing well in 'most improved'

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Have a female section by all means but the prize pool for the females should also be proportionally smaller as the number of participants are likely going to be a fraction of male competitors.

Ohhhh what a terrible attitude a female works no less hard to achieve results.

I don't know how you interpreted it that way.

 

The reason females do not participate more here is because they have no alternative but to compete with males and as Dinahlady says to place well we would have to produce National records,

As Phedder said, it's because the women's national records are crap lol. Any girl that's been lifting seriously for 2 years could break those records. Relative to men, there are hardly any serious powerlifting females in NZ, not to mention that most girls don't care about strength whereas 90% of males do and care just as much about getting stronger as looking good. The difference in the depth of athletes between the males and females is immense. Inb4 this gets interpreted as another sexist comment.

how many of the male members are doing that in the Gymnation Challenges.

Actually, the members that won or placed in the top 3 in the previous year's challenges are some of NZ's top powerlifters and do hold national records lol.

I guess one alternative is to apply a scaling factor, who wants to figure that one out?

The Wilks/Reshel/Glossbrenner formulas accounts for differences in strength between males and females and is generally accepted as being fair for all lifters of all bodyweights and both genders. Which is what we did last year. Then Dinah had a moan about it cos she's weak lol

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Men - (87 total competitiors)

543,65

534,47

531,96

Women - (60 total competitors)

533,51

527,92

514,93

But the women there are pro powerlifters, and the women here are mostly bikini / fitness enthusiasts?

LOL what's your point?

If they are Pro's that's not a good base to compare to participants on Gymnation

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Men - (87 total competitiors)

543,65

534,47

531,96

Women - (60 total competitors)

533,51

527,92

514,93

But the women there are pro powerlifters, and the women here are mostly bikini / fitness enthusiasts?

LOL what's your point?

If they are Pro's that's not a good base to compare to participants on Gymnation

But they aren't pros. There is no such thing as pro powerlifters!!! Did you not read Phedder's post

 

Gyzzbrah needs to stop talking shit. He does one Candito program and thinks he knows everything

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