Thinking about my next cycle - looking for opinions etc.

[HalfNatty]

So far ive done three cycles:

Im 6 feet tall - a bit fat but thats sorting itself in a dramtic way and hasnt affected me in any adverse way, havent had any realy shitty sides except for trensomnia and some acne which is fairly mild - i kow people always say wait till you are under a certain BF% etc but the only bad thing i have found is that i cant really see the gains as much as i would like to - certainly can feel em though and my weight loss with the extra muscle on is going faster than ever.

As far as macros go i eat as if i was 100kg - im a bit more than that - practice IF most days if i can although the mrs like to have breackfast as a family on weekends so if sitting and watching them eat the good stuff gets a bit hard i dont sweat ti too much theres plenty of days ahead of me to do the IF thing.

First cycle was mild about 300mg of test cyp a week for 8 weeks - no probs no gyno no pct - used to being low anyway (am now in an HRT program. vbut still use my own homebrew and am saving the pharma stuff for later)

Second cycle, 500 mg test cyp 200mg tren per week 12 weeks - occasional Aromasin and cialis as est gets up there and i notice erectile issues retarded ejeculation etc. but mostly embraced the bloat.

Third cycle 600mg test cyp qand 300mg tren ace per week same again for ancillaries and pct - now on hrt for this one will just cruise - am on my final week.

Good gains - cant see too much definition most commented on by other people are arms,  shoulders - have squared up heaps and are a lot bigger -  and noticible weight loss - seem to be making anothe hole in my belt every week or so. - going to post pics near Xmas time have some pretty specific goals and am well on track - will be dragging my arse out of bed at 6am to get some morning fasted cardio in as well starting tomorrow - for real this time lol.

OK so in my next post ill put in my potential on hands and look for advice as to what i should use out of whats currently available - also though im looking at making a blend of enanthates - or coompounds with half lives close to that . enanthates avaiable in the "shop" are test E - tren E - primo - and masteron. do these go well together? perhaps i should try each of them separately first to see what each does to me - probably the wise path. the goal however is to fit as much weight into each ml as pos and if possible have one injection per week using long chain esters - just thought i'd ask people before i wasted a few grams of each on an experiment.

 

[juicemachine]

Diet is a key factor, if your a 'bit fat' you should probaly just run water based testosterone to limit aromotisation as much as you can while getting around a mark were the compounds are beneficial, for me this is 12% or under but everyone is different.

Masteron and primo are quite similar and dont need to be run together, but primo and deca work realy well together.

If your 'bloating' its a diet issue, using compounds individualy will not give you an indication of how you react to the compounds as they are generaly only beneficial when stacked together, also masteron/primo/ need a good 8 weeks run at the 600 minimum 1 gram max to be beneficial.

There is nothing that deca wont do for you that tren will, tren is mainly used in a calorie deficit to maintain lean mass before a show and tighten up.

I would use test suspension 2 injections a day until bodyfats down to 12% starting at a nice easy 1000mg a week and 600mg deca. Deca will get you lean, it does not 'bloat' you

[HalfNatty]

Diet is a key factor, if your a 'bit fat' you should probaly just run water based testosterone to limit aromotisation as much as you can while getting around a mark were the compounds are beneficial, for me this is 12% or under but everyone is different.

Masteron and primo are quite similar and dont need to be run together, but primo and deca work realy well together.

If your 'bloating' its a diet issue, using compounds individualy will not give you an indication of how you react to the compounds as they are generaly only beneficial when stacked together, also masteron/primo/ need a good 8 weeks run at the 600 minimum 1 gram max to be beneficial.

There is nothing that deca wont do for you that tren will, tren is mainly used in a calorie deficit to maintain lean mass before a show and tighten up.

I would use test suspension 2 injections a day until bodyfats down to 12% starting at a nice easy 1000mg a week and 600mg deca. Deca will get you lean, it does not 'bloat' you

Not too worried about the bloat at this stage i think its just water weight it dissapears about 2 and a half weeks after i end the cycle, although it makes stepping in the scale redundant since its all guess work at that point, im using the mirror as  an indicator at this point. also i have read in a number of places that est is quite organ protective and if you dont mind water bloating and such its ok. wonder if thats why women live longer than men?

Can you explain further about compounds having optimum benefit under certain BF%? im well over 12% but having fairly drastic benifits - awesome if it gets better as i nail the body fat % by %.

Diets not too bad no sugar, about 80-100g of carbs only after workout - not a common strategy but it takes advantage of a couple of biomechanics where cells send GLUT-4 glucose transporters to cell walls for a time after a resistance workout and the fact that you have a natural resistance to insulin at night time as opposed to mornings creating a bias as to where the glycogen goes into the muscle cells to replish and not (so much) into fat cells.

[9762291220]

Probably reason average woman lives longer than average man is that they mostly dont do stupid shit that takes years off their life and just focus on doing and saying lots of little stupid things that f*ck other ppl off but aside from that dont cause physical harm mostly. Like for example gf complaining that its hot in Australia wheras im just injecting class A drugs and gear and swimming in crocodile infested waters to cool off. She prob will live longer but yeah quality over quantity.

[juicemachine]

 

Diet is a key factor, if your a 'bit fat' you should probaly just run water based testosterone to limit aromotisation as much as you can while getting around a mark were the compounds are beneficial, for me this is 12% or under but everyone is different.

Masteron and primo are quite similar and dont need to be run together, but primo and deca work realy well together.

If your 'bloating' its a diet issue, using compounds individualy will not give you an indication of how you react to the compounds as they are generaly only beneficial when stacked together, also masteron/primo/ need a good 8 weeks run at the 600 minimum 1 gram max to be beneficial.

There is nothing that deca wont do for you that tren will, tren is mainly used in a calorie deficit to maintain lean mass before a show and tighten up.

I would use test suspension 2 injections a day until bodyfats down to 12% starting at a nice easy 1000mg a week and 600mg deca. Deca will get you lean, it does not 'bloat' you

Not too worried about the bloat at this stage i think its just water weight it dissapears about 2 and a half weeks after i end the cycle, although it makes stepping in the scale redundant since its all guess work at that point, im using the mirror as  an indicator at this point. also i have read in a number of places that est is quite organ protective and if you dont mind water bloating and such its ok. wonder if thats why women live longer than men?

Can you explain further about compounds having optimum benefit under certain BF%? im well over 12% but having fairly drastic benifits - awesome if it gets better as i nail the body fat % by %.

Diets not too bad no sugar, about 80-100g of carbs only after workout - not a common strategy but it takes advantage of a couple of biomechanics where cells send GLUT-4 glucose transporters to cell walls for a time after a resistance workout and the fact that you have a natural resistance to insulin at night time as opposed to mornings creating a bias as to where the glycogen goes into the muscle cells to replish and not (so much) into fat cells.

With the body fat % the higher your bodyfat is the more fat you will gain, thats why fat people just get fatter, the fatter you are the more estrogenic you are and the more catabolic your body is.

In order for your body to utilise the product properly you need to be as anabolic or as lean as you can be, also the leaner you are the higher your natural test will be and the you will have less insulin resistance, thats why when you go to the clinic for TRT or to have fertility treatment the first thing they tell males to do is lose fat.

Also, using fat while on steroids also just looks rubbish as all the seperation and detail is covered up, you just end up looking like a SHW powerlifter.

But as long as you drink zero alcohol and train correctly the fat should remove itself quite quickly.

Also, just my 2c but masteron propionate, tren, primabolan and winny are hardening agents that are generaly used 6 weeks out from comp to tighten up and add detail/vascularity and give that 'dry' look, I see no point in using those compounds above the 8% mark

[GyzzBrah]

With the body fat % the higher your bodyfat is the more fat you will gain, thats why fat people just get fatter, the fatter you are the more estrogenic you are and the more catabolic your body is.

Estrogen is not catabolic and your probably less catabolic when fat due to surplus calories etc. And lol at your other thread.

[justhell]

Testosterone and Trenbolone my favorite cycle

Mothers milk

[juicemachine]

With the body fat % the higher your bodyfat is the more fat you will gain, thats why fat people just get fatter, the fatter you are the more estrogenic you are and the more catabolic your body is.

Estrogen is not catabolic and your probably less catabolic when fat due to surplus calories etc. And lol at your other thread.

Hi Jizzbrah, estrogen is very catabolic in high doseages and can lead to heart disease and arteriosclerosis

[GyzzBrah]

Tell me how the birth control is working for you then

[9762291220]

^Wtf are you talking about fagot?

[Leeroid]

Juicemachine you're full of shit. Estrogen is not catabolic although it does promote fat gain and water retention which are not desirable.

Also it is well known that lowering estrogen whether a result of menopause or through aromatase inhibitors is correlated with adverse lipid profiles. Women generally have less risk of cardiovascular disease than men and this is attributed to the higher levels of estrogen in women. Estrogen is believed to have protective effects on lipids.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2361692/

[juicemachine]

Juicemachine you're full of shit. Estrogen is not catabolic although it does promote fat gain and water retention which are not desirable.

Also it is well known that lowering estrogen whether a result of menopause or through aromatase inhibitors is correlated with adverse lipid profiles. Women generally have less risk of cardiovascular disease than men and this is attributed to the higher levels of estrogen in women. Estrogen is believed to have protective effects on lipids.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2361692/

Leeroid your full of shit, fat people have moobs because of oestrogen

[juicemachine]

Also, Leeroid this is a steroid thread, please read the rules and only post if you count as a man which is 200 pounds (91kg's roughly) thank you for your co-operation... little men posting in a big boys thread can be quite frustrating as im sure you can imagine

[GyzzBrah]

Leeroid your full of shit, fat people have moobs because of oestrogen

That's just because their fat, estrogen has f*ck all to do with it.

Oh and by the way nobody here gives a shit about your estrogenophobia, since none of us here run 20 different peptides, fake gh, and 4g of testosterone a week, and still weigh 90 kg's.

[juicemachine]

Leeroid your full of shit, fat people have moobs because of oestrogen

That's just because their fat, estrogen has f*ck all to do with it.

Oh and by the way nobody here gives a shit about your estrogenophobia, since none of us here run 20 different peptides, fake gh, and 4g of testosterone a week, and still weigh 90 kg's.

Its not fake it passes the wafer slide test.

Your legs look like they do because of oestrogen, all smooth and soft

[9762291220]

I once jumped into a large fibreglass tube type water slide and the foam runber mat slid out from under me causing me to hit my head on slide. Got asked to leave as was dripping blood everywhere. Needed 4 stitches above eye. Worst thing about it was that even though I was only 12 at the time I knew I had failed the waterslide test and that my gh was fake.

[Cameron_R]

I once jumped into a large fibreglass tube type water slide and the foam runber mat slid out from under me causing me to hit my head on slide. Got asked to leave as was dripping blood everywhere. Needed 4 stitches above eye. Worst thing about it was that even though I was only 12 at the time I knew I had failed the waterslide test and that my gh was fake.

lmao!

[HalfNatty]

hahaha too much lol in this thread.

ive lost 30 kg over the year - have put water on from time to time but the fats falling off at a steady rate - my opinion is that a lot of the talk about gear adversly affecting fat deposits might be speculation (bro science) or im the exception to the rule - or the glycogen retention bias i try to promote is working as intended. in any case i like to try shit out for myself and theres nothing like a little bit of naughtyness to make working out so much more attractive - possibly if gear was legal i wouldnt give a f*ck about lifting, some guys just like breaking a few rules here and there  

the only way forward however is to keep getting bigger - in a good way - gotta fill those saggy underarm fattybags with hard Lats  

[9762291220]

hahaha too much lol in this thread.

ive lost 30 kg over the year - have put water on from time to time but the fats falling off at a steady rate - my opinion is that a lot of the talk about gear adversly affecting fat deposits might be speculation (bro science) or im the exception to the rule - or the glycogen retention bias i try to promote is working as intended. in any case i like to try shit out for myself and theres nothing like a little bit of naughtyness to make working out so much more attractive - possibly if gear was legal i wouldnt give a f*ck about lifting, some guys just like breaking a few rules here and there  

the only way forward however is to keep getting bigger - in a good way - gotta fill those saggy underarm fattybags with hard Lats