opinions please.

[nick-007]

i have got test cypionate, looking at taking 1mill every monday and thursday, for 10 weeks with dianabol 30mg a day 1 in moring lunch and tea once my 10 week cycle runs out i will go off it for 2 weeks then follow it through with a pct cycle of clomoid and nolva as i have read it is good to comined both options to cover a wider range of effects?.....  opinions on how much i should take for pct cycle as theres so much to choose from? also hcg is a must aswell correct helps the effects of the dbol etc how much so i need for hcg

pritty much need a 10 week test cyp cycle followed by a pct with nolva/clomoid/hcg thanks

i am 24 yrs, 89kg medium build and on a clean diet. plus this is my 1st cycle ever.

cheers guys!

[nick-007]

perhaps aswell, can i run nolva and clomoid during my cycle? or only take it if i start to see or feel effect a correct. with the hcg i take during the cycle to keep my LH in  check..... what about adex?

[Rxx]

AI is worth looking into (especially if you bf is on the high side), i wouldn't bother with hcg but thats just me. You're running a low dose of dbol so your getting over paranoid about that. Nolva 2 weeks after last jab, 20/20/10/10... People will probably say thats too low or whatever you can make your own mind up. 

[hhh1]

Just stay natty, it's safer

[atrollappears]

nick-007 wrote:

i have got test cypionate, looking at taking 1mill every monday and thursday, for 10 weeks with dianabol 30mg a day 1 in moring lunch and tea once my 10 week cycle runs out i will go off it for 2 weeks then follow it through with a pct cycle of clomid and nolva as i have read it is good to comined both options to cover a wider range of effects?.....  opinions on how much i should take for pct cycle as theres so much to choose from? also hcg is a must aswell correct helps the effects of the dbol etc how much so i need for hcg

pritty much need a 10 week test cyp cycle followed by a pct with nolva/clomoid/hcg thanks

i am 24 yrs, 89kg medium build and on a clean diet. plus this is my 1st cycle ever.

cheers guys!

[justhell]

Always good info atrollappears,

Repped

[Realtalk]

Why want use adex, clomid, nolva, hcg on a cycle where u only using low dose of test cyp and a little dbol. 

Over the top!!!!

Everyone always going on about using too much gear.. How bout using too much AI and SERM?? use as least AI and SERM as possible. That's the bad shit IMO, hardest on your body.

[Rxx]

Why want use adex, clomid, nolva, hcg on a cycle where u only using low dose of test cyp and a little dbol. 

Over the top!!!!

Everyone always going on about using too much gear.. How bout using too much AI and SERM?? use as least AI and SERM as possible. That's the bad shit IMO, hardest on your body.

I agrees entirely. Having an AI on hand might be a good idea if you decide you need to use it. That was exactly why I recomended 20/20/10/10.

[Ben0]

I only did 20 20 10 10 and felt like shit while taking that , wouldn't want to take anymore imo

[Rxx]

I only did 20 20 10 10 and felt like shit while taking that , wouldn't want to take anymore imo

My dog did a 40/40/20/20 and felt fine and then last cycle that my dog did he took 20/20/10/10 and also felt fine and he told me he recovered fine. But that's a fuckin dog, who knows how it works for people. 

[atrollappears]

I only did 20 20 10 10 and felt like shit while taking that , wouldn't want to take anymore imo

My dog did a 40/40/20/20 and felt fine and then last cycle that my dog did he took 20/20/10/10 and also felt fine and he told me he recovered fine. But that's a fuckin dog, who knows how it works for people. 

How did blood testosterone levels compare from pre-cycle baseline, to 3 months post cycle... 

<........> ...?

[Rxx]

He's a naughty dog and didn't get his bloodwork done... He's merely judging it by his mood, labido, performance in the gym, etc.

 

[atrollappears]

He's a naughty dog and didn't get his bloodwork done... He's merely judging it by his mood, libido, performance in the gym, etc.

 

Oh, so no idea...!!  

There is some thought that if PCT isn't done correctly and followed by a long enough off time, the HPTA doesn't revert back to pre-cycle levels, resulting in natural testosterone levels that are lower after each cycle of AAS... 

I hope you will keep that dog under control, we don't want it shitting all over the forum... 

 

[Rxx]

 

He's a naughty dog and didn't get his bloodwork done... He's merely judging it by his mood, libido, performance in the gym, etc.

 

Oh, so no idea...!!  

There is some thought that if PCT isn't done correctly and followed by a long enough off time, the HPTA doesn't revert back to pre-cycle levels, resulting in natural testosterone levels that are lower after each cycle of AAS... 

I hope you will keep that dog under control, we don't want it shitting all over the forum... 

 

Ok I'll keep my dog opinions to myself then, my dog apologises for trying to help and he will hope that everyone will ignore what he says. Stupid fuckin dog! Btw my dog is toilet trained, he shits where i tell him.

[Ben0]

I recovered fine, just going by strength , mood etc, hasn't been 3 months to do post cycle bloods. Weren't you more in support of a taper over pct a while back?

[atrollappears]

I recovered fine, just going by strength , mood etc, hasn't been 3 months to do post cycle bloods. Weren't you more in support of a taper over pct a while back?

I was in support of a taper on short low/medium test only cycles....

Having read several articles on incorrect PCT protocol leading to long term reduction in natural testosterone levels, I might be swayed towards caution and thus a reasonable length of PCT and appropriate off-time, for most people, especially for 19-nor cycles which are more suppressive of the HPTA....

Or put another way, if PCT drugs are to be used, they should be used in the best manner possible, or don't use them...

It has been suggested incorrect PCT has led to long term suppression, so if you choose to take the drug option over a taper, do it correctly or not at all..!!!!! 

 

[HalfNatty]

i dont really use PCT stuff much - only when im getting soft errections and dificulty coming within the time frame of "till im too tired to root any more" then ill pop 25mg Aromasin and 20mg cialis - i had intended to mix up some for the current cycle but never got round to it.

have letro nolva clomid and aromasin on hand just in case titties start to sprout - never happened so far so i just go with the bloat - its easy weight that comes off in the first ferw weeks after cycle anyway. and ive read that aestrogen is quite organ protective so worth having if you can handle the  bloat.