NZPF 2014 National Powerlifting Champs Equipped

[Old Bull]

Hi Guys,

Have just finished the first Viseo of the NZPF Nationals, This is all the Equipped best lifts will have the other Videos out shortly. I have attached the full results too

 

Equipped_2014_Nationals (1).pdf

[Pseudonym]

Man, some of those numbers are insane.

Tell me, there were a couple of people got a 0 total because they missed all 3 attempts at bench. But having missed the first attempt, they both went up for the second attempt. Why would they do that? On paper, that seems like a very bad idea!

[Leeroid]

Man, some of those numbers are insane.

Tell me, there were a couple of people got a 0 total because they missed all 3 attempts at bench. But having missed the first attempt, they both went up for the second attempt. Why would they do that? On paper, that seems like a very bad idea!

They would've been using a bench shirt so they may have had issues getting the bar to their chest. So they would have to gamble with increasing the weight to touch but not being able to press it back up.

[Realtalk]

 

Man, some of those numbers are insane.

Tell me, there were a couple of people got a 0 total because they missed all 3 attempts at bench. But having missed the first attempt, they both went up for the second attempt. Why would they do that? On paper, that seems like a very bad idea!

They would've been using a bench shirt so they may have had issues getting the bar to their chest. So they would have to gamble with increasing the weight to touch but not being able to press it back up.

[Realtalk]

Good video! 

[nate225]

They would've been using a bench shirt so they may have had issues getting the bar to their chest. So they would have to gamble with increasing the weight to touch but not being able to press it back up.

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Bro what a joke that is... I mean seriously not being able to touch your chest with the bar? Care to explain the point of the bench press if you cannot touch the chest... Kinda defys the point of bench pressing doesn't it?

no offence to anyone, I just dnt get it.

I can bench 250 but I could only do 180 today cos there wasn't any good Deadlifters there to spot me....same, same but different to a shirt?

What someone can bench (i.e. in the gym in a tee shirt aka "raw bench") and what someone can do in a shirt is completely different. Some guys get 40-50kg out of an IPF legal single ply let alone what the multi-ply guys get.

However the rules say you can so you'd be a mug not to get the tightest shirt that you can get into (literally used to take 10 minutes to get on properly an adjust seams etc using plastic bags to reduce friction). Unfortunately it means the weight to make bar touch your chest is very close for some to the weight you max out at, hence the jumps on second attempts with failed openers. Bombs for benches go through the roof every time IPF allow a better shirt as "window" decreases and technical skill to use increases.

I guess at the end of the day Lewis Hamilton aint turning up in a 323 hatchback....

[M.T]

 

Man, some of those numbers are insane.

Tell me, there were a couple of people got a 0 total because they missed all 3 attempts at bench. But having missed the first attempt, they both went up for the second attempt. Why would they do that? On paper, that seems like a very bad idea!

They would've been using a bench shirt so they may have had issues getting the bar to their chest. So they would have to gamble with increasing the weight to touch but not being able to press it back up.

Bro what a joke that is... I mean seriously not being able to touch your chest with the bar? Care to explain the point of the bench press if you cannot touch the chest... Kinda defys the point of bench pressing doesn't it?

no offence to anyone, I just dnt get it.

[nate225]

^^ Not sure if srs MT but Tom's point is valid, most people consider bench pressing a test of strength not of technical competency in using a shirt (and strength). For many people (powerlifters included) the whole equipped lifting has taken the reality away from the sport, hence the massive support raw lifting got.

Personally I dont care either way but when someone say what can you bench I dont say 220, without mentioning I need a tight shirt with three spotters! Kinda confuses the average gym punter  #nomahsayn

[Leeroid]

Yeah equipped lifting is hard to explain to someone that doesn't know what it is. I reckon it's algood though. Anyway this raw vs equipped debate is probably the most hotly contested topic on forums and has happened more than once on here before so no point getting into it all over again

[Realtalk]

M.T wrote:

 

 

Man, some of those numbers are insane.

Tell me, there were a couple of people got a 0 total because they missed all 3 attempts at bench. But having missed the first attempt, they both went up for the second attempt. Why would they do that? On paper, that seems like a very bad idea!

They would've been using a bench shirt so they may have had issues getting the bar to their chest. So they would have to gamble with increasing the weight to touch but not being able to press it back up.

Bro what a joke that is... I mean seriously not being able to touch your chest with the bar? Care to explain the point of the bench press if you cannot touch the chest... Kinda defys the point of bench pressing doesn't it?

no offence to anyone, I just dnt get it.

[Realtalk]

Tbh... Most nzpf equipped lifters lift equipped cause they weak in raw. Like U105 lifters struggling to bench 3pps raw for 1 rep so they put on shirt, learn to lift in that so they can do 4pps... How bout instead just learn to get strong instead of how to learn to wear shirt.

like if everyone did raw then what's wrong with that? Everyone's even...

i know this gonna start shit storm but it's the truth.

[Realtalk]

Not sure if srs MT but Tom's point is valid, most people consider bench pressing a test of strength not of technical competency in using a shirt (and strength). For many people (powerlifters included) the whole equipped lifting has taken the reality away from the sport, hence the massive support raw lifting got.

Personally I dont care either way but when someone say what can you bench I dont say 220, without mentioning I need a tight shirt with three spotters! Kinda confuses the average gym punter  #nomahsayn

Exactly.... Powerlifting isn't meant to be a techical sport like oly lifting. Which is good. The reason why being not very technical is good is because it is a true test of the persons strength. If there is a lot of technique involved then the margin for error is greater and it isn't really a true test of strength. So when u wear gear it becomes more a test of who is better in their gear than the other person.

[reddog]

sweet vid ob, some good lifts, was very quite this year and didnt hear much about.

yeaarp those bench shirts...i just seen 2 of the 4 or so guys at the jr ipf world from nz bombed out on the bench, poors buggas 1000s of bucks and countless hours put in to not post a total,  bet they will cut those shirt up now and join the raw revolution, eqip i dieing out fast, you wont see a single suit or shirt in any of the other 2 feds in NZ, although it will alway have it place its more of an art than an test of power imo

[Pseudonym]

Oops, I didn't realise I was opening such a can of worms with that question.

I can definitely see the attraction in both lifting raw and lifting equipped. Neither one is "right". They're just different mindsets. For the raw guys it's all about what your body can do by itself, unassisted. For the equipped guys, it's just about moving insane amounts of metal!

Why don't Olympic swimmers wear flippers and hand paddles so can get more impressive pool times.

Hehe... good analogy. Actually, if swimming faster was as visually impressive to watch as moving a ton of weight, then I reckon they could introduce "equipped swimming"! As with powerlifting, you couldn't compare equipped swimming with raw, but it would be a perfectly legitimate sport in its own right.

[soundsgood]

Equipped or not Brett Gibbs totalled 873 at under 83kg at the junior world champs (including a 355.5kg squat! )

I dare you to tell him that's not strong.

Equipped lifting is a different sport to raw and should be treated as such. Think of it like league vs union. Both sports u use a rugby ball but different set of rules. You don't compare players in the different codes by how many tries they score (a lot more in league) similarly the numbers lifted in raw vs equipped should be compared with a grain of salt.

[M.T]

Nt srs bros.

Talking to the guys that bombed sounds like the heat was something to contend with and the added pressure of competing at their 1st worlds made for a durastic weight drop.

Have followed Jing and Sam's training and have noo question about their strength and commitment it just didn't happen on the day which was a shame. But knowing them they will come back soo much stronger for it.

Also keep in mind IPF has the strictest rules around bench ie. head down, feet flat, but down, lock out (which all the others have besides the head??).

Personally would love to jump in the gear but even at 4 years of PL don't think it's time just yet. Like Nate or someone said in here your raw should be as strong as possible before equipping up.

Well done Kiwis *clapping*