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NZPF at the world champs

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I assume you arnt talking about drugs.... the 285 dead was easy at the comms and the only reason he didn't go heavier was he just wanted to win the comp and make sure he broke te junior record. and it was done a couple of days after a very heavy equipped comp. the one thing that is obvious is he is a freak. ever since I went to junior worlds with him in 2011 you can see that his potential is off the charts. even his 305 dead looked like a second attenpt

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I assume you arnt talking about drugs.... the 285 dead was easy at the comms and the only reason he didn't go heavier was he just wanted to win the comp and make sure he broke te junior record. and it was done a couple of days after a very heavy equipped comp. the one thing that is obvious is he is a freak. ever since I went to junior worlds with him in 2011 you can see that his potential is off the charts. even his 305 dead looked like a second attenpt

Chill bro lol.

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I assume you arnt talking about drugs.... the 285 dead was easy at the comms and the only reason he didn't go heavier was he just wanted to win the comp and make sure he broke te junior record. and it was done a couple of days after a very heavy equipped comp. the one thing that is obvious is he is a freak. ever since I went to junior worlds with him in 2011 you can see that his potential is off the charts. even his 305 dead looked like a second attenpt

LOL what the hell is this about. I didn't even mention drugs. I 100% believe that he's clean. I'm guessing he would've got his blood and urine sample taken as soon as he got off that platform yesterday anyway. 

 

I just mentioned that his progress in the last year has been amazing. I assume a big part of it was the fact he actually focused on raw lifting this year exclusively so he saw big gains there. If he gets back into equipment, he'll put up some huge numbers for sure.

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There's been some superb lifting all around - Sarah, Ashleigh and Bronwyn, Andy Thomas, Clarry Parsons and Cameron Andrews, as well as Brett and Sonia Manaena.  

Still to come - HJP, Jono Parsons, Andy Mahon and Joel Hintz.  It's a great weekend to be a Kiwi powerlifter !

Joel and Jono are lifting from 7pm tonight, HJP starts at 11pm and Andy after that. 

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Man, Brett made those lifts look easy! How much heavier do you reckon he could have gone?

 

YouTube timecodes for Brett Gibbs:

Squat: 1st

, 2nd
, 3rd

Bench: 1st

, 2nd
, 3rd

Deadlift: 1st

, 2nd
, 3rd


I'd say he's probably good for 5-7.5kg on every lift. He simply didn't need it.

Re his deadlift going from 285-305 in 6months, when Brett did 285 I believe he'd already done a 300 in the gym.

Very interesting the training philosophies of the best lifters in the world. Brett had done 280/185/302.5 in the gym or in a meet before Worlds. The only weight he'd never handled was the 305.5 deadlift, which went up easily and is still very close to his PB. Thus he had a very good idea of comfortable weights that he could acheive.

Compare this to Chad Wesley Smith, squatting 937lbs last week in belt and wraps. The heaviest he went up to in training was about 820lbs, with a walkout and hold at 945. He deadlifted about 720lbs in training, doing 771 in comp. Bench did 515ish in training, 540 in the comp.

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when Brett did 285 I believe he'd already done a 300 in the gym.

Really?!

Compare this to Chad Wesley Smith, squatting 937lbs last week in belt and wraps. The heaviest he went up to in training was about 820lbs

See, that I understand. He's using the adrenaline of the comp to help him push more.

So is Brett just playing the long game? ie, by not revealing all his cards at once, he can then trump anyone who comes and beats his 285 lift? Or is it more that lifting by adrenaline increases the risk of injury, and he'd won't do any "untested" lift?

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Alot of good powerlifters will simply only deadlift what they need to win a meet. In that case, the 285 was a world junior record already, so I doubt he had much motivation to knock it up too much higher. With that said, I'm not Brett so I can't speakfor him.

It really depends how you train. Some guys spend alot of time doing higher volume or speedwork with lighter weights, then deload and lift significantly more. I've done such training before, and to be honest, wasn't that taken with it.

Then you have guys who train with higher intensity (percentage of 1RM) and they tend to want to have a very good idea of where they're at before lifting. Most of the top NZ Olympic lifters train in such a style (Bulgarian/Finnish influences) and thus would be maxing their snatch and CJ on pretty much a weekly basis. A deload doesn't give them as much of a boost, but they are very much aware of what they're capable of lifting. Interestingly our heaviest ever Clean and Jerk in NZ of 225kg was set by Nigel Avery who never lifted over 215 in training, or front squatted over 235. He was very likely capable of 230kg, but didn't have to lift to that level at the Commonwealth Games.

The danger one runs with the likes of the philosophy Chad Smith uses, is that it does take quite a while to learn your body well enough to be able to predict accurately what you're capable of lifting. I've never personally seen anyone in their first few years of competition lift consistently well unless they're hitting training weights in excess of 90% of competition 1RM. More experienced lifters, absolutely.

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At Commonwealths Brett had already lifted in the equipped category a few days prior to his raw lifts, so there's he fatigue of that as well. I believe he opened around 265-270, very conservative to secure a total and another title. Then he lifted 282.5kg which was the Junior World Record, then another Kiwi Jamie King lifted 283kg on his 3rd attempt to take the record, so Brett lifted 285kg on his 3rd to take it back. He was definitely capable of more on the day, but with the Commonwealth title already secured, and a world record at stake, why risk doing more?

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Ashley Templention of Snap fitness Dunedin came third in her class not to sure what her totals were but.It was her first time competing overseas which is good going for her first time competing overseas.

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Heres a decent video. Hes a beast for sure and hits pretty deep for a powerlifter but i guess hes lifting raw there.

He's breaking the textbook definition of parallel by about an inch or so, possibly 2 inches on the opener. The problem is plenty of people realise it's hard to squat to that depth so they make excuses about the size of their quads, or you can't tell from the front etc. Very few feds actually judge to a true parallel.

 

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The problem is plenty of people realise it's hard to squat to that depth so they make excuses about the size of their quads, or you can't tell from the front etc. Very few feds actually judge to a true parallel.

 

Spoken like a true politician! Haha

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