first cycle and hurting

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Well, i guess i aught to start this up, decided it was about time i get back to bodybuilding after takin a year off to sort life out.

now i should start with what im taking, thought itd be smart to start simple and light.

500mg/wk test e

50mg/ed dbol

now, im on my second week, been pinning my quads, first pin was a bit mental, after psyching myself out for about 15min eventually manned up an hit a blood vessel, 2nd attempt forgot to get the air out, 3rd attempt was golden hardly felt a thing, wasn't sore or anything afterwards, now second pin, one go getting I'm but! It kinda hurt as it went in, like i hit a nerve or something, had a sore leg for a few days, didn't give two shits about it and smashed legs anyway. Pain went away.

Did my third pin a couple days ago, there's minor swelling and it hurts like a bitch, hoping it'll settle down soon since my job is extremely physical.

Just wondering if anyone has had this, I'm pinning in the side of my quad but the soreness is in the muscle on top?

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Well f*ck me that's abit illiterate, sorry long long day.

was trying to say 2nd pin went in with one go, but started to hurt.

[donz]

Sup bro I've been pinning my quads on a 8 day roation for the last year and 1 month with sometimes up to 16 day rotation - anyways I use the outter and move it up and down and vary the level I pin at so its like a big long rectangle region. I've never had pain in the top from pinning on the side, only ever had pain from tren ( pip as they call it ) - I really can't offer much other than the generic stuff; is your hardware clean/sterile/not reusing? Is the gear from someone you trust/clean? You didn't accidentally push in a tiny piece of floatie/foreign dust into the muscle? I mean from how my friend described when he had an absess it started with swelling in his bicep and he had to get it cut out. Not an overly huge ordeal but a pain in the ass really. I'd say if the swelling doesn't go down zip in and see a doc.

Maybe the older hands on here have some other adivce, stay safe ~

[AZIDE]

personally i hate pinning quads. always seems to hurt during and afterwards and often go through blood vessels/nerves. delts is my favourite then bis. calves...ok sometimes, but then sometimes have to walk on tiptoes for day or 2 so not worth it. never done glutes

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Cheers for the reply man, im doing what i can as far as keeping things clean, wiping injection site and the rubber top of the vial, using 18g for withdraw and a 22g for pin, fresh needles every time, i think what could be a factor with the pain and swelling is that my injection technique is shit, I'm not warming up the oil and haven't gone for a walk after pinning, shit weather so just pinned and sat down, I'll do my next pin tomorrow in my left leg, since I'm alternating anyway

[AZIDE]

22 is unnecessarily large. 23 or 25 better. 1 inch is adequate length unless youre fat

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Pushing through with the 22g is hard enough, hate to know how long it'd take with a 23.

just done pinning my left quad, first attempt felt sore so pulled out, changed needle, and was good, went a little lower on the quad this time, seems to be paying offso far, guess we'll find out tomorrow

also put my right leg that was hella sore under the shower as hot as i could get it and gave it a good massage, feels abit better now, not golden, but better

[SubZ]

I'm on my first cycle also and I pin the ventrogluteal area, I highly recommend it its almost completely painless and has hardly any blood vessels in the area.

It's the muscle on the side of your leg that if you lift your knee toward your chest it pops out the side. I do it sitting down as it's relaxed that way and more comfortable for me. I had pip on my first pin for a day or to on either side. 2nd pin on either sideno pain at all.

I'm using a 24g (might be 25) it dose take a little time to get 1ml out but I like to take my time

[AZIDE]

Pushing through with the 22g is hard enough, hate to know how long it'd take with a 23.

just done pinning my left quad, first attempt felt sore so pulled out, changed needle, and was good, went a little lower on the quad this time, seems to be paying offso far, guess we'll find out tomorrow

also put my right leg that was hella sore under the shower as hot as i could get it and gave it a good massage, feels abit better now, not golden, but better

are you using a 3ml syringe or a larger one with a larger diameter? if youre using a 3ml or smaller no idea what youre talking about. i use 25 or 23 in my delts using one hand and 2ml oil loaded. manage fine

[donz]

yeah im 23g 3/4 inch and it's fine for me I use delts/quads on rotation - I have a heap of slin pins and will be using those as I add compounds during comp prep and need to pin more, doh! Maybe if you're only doing 1ml shots you could swap to slin pins and do smaller muscle groups? when I do quads I use my computer chair and put my foot up - I massage the area with my thumb for about 30 seconds and then put in, I push oil out slow ( i dont heat it, warm apartment ) if i push out too fast, it feels slightly sore to me, personally. Once done i massage it as i dab with toilet paper and then put my foot down then walk - yeah maybe try a few bodyweight squats to help the oil get pushed around? 

 

Agree with the above as well, I've done plenty of 2ml into my delt with 1 hand, only time I have issues is when I'm runing clen etc and get ab cramp while twisting lol FML!

[Realtalk]

You inject with a 22g? Ouch not nessercery bro, your scar tissue build up will happen a lot faster using a bigger gauge needle. Heat your oil before you pin it it'll loose some viscosity when it's hot and flow easier. Put ur vial in hot water or sit on a towel on top of heated towel rail or oil heater. I like 24g, smaller than a 23g but not as rediculous as a 25g to push out.

[Polo]

virgin muscles bro always gonna hurt first time, i never pin quads after being leg crippled for about 3 days had to lift my leg into bed and out of bed and half way down the street, thats was only with deca though and its quite a slow injecting compound. glutes i find is a simple spot to hit and little to no post pain

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Ok good news is gear is sterile, swelling in right leg practically gone, same with soreness almost back to normal.

did some trial and error with injection in the side middle area of left quad, id say its been quite the error as been limping around having to pick my leg up getting in and out of vehicles at work all day, so might give high side of quad another chance next week and see if my luck improves, ifnot may just give shoulders a crack.

Got a couple of questions.

Can the area that you inject test develope/grow faster than areas you don't inject, like for example, if i only pinned my right shoulder, would my right shoulder grow faster?

And when it comes to needle lengths how far would you put a needle into your quads?

Because iv hot 1 1/2 inch 22g and iv been going all in with the needle, would that be a little to far?

And cheers to everyone leaving comments

[donz]

From the guys I know who have been on for 10+ years the site injection growth won't happen quicker, in delts you may get scar tissue build over time? Wish it was true tho... Id jab my chest errrrryday! I use 3/4 inch pin so I push all the way in - not sure about longer

 

PS good to hear your swelling has gone down

[Realtalk]

So injecting 1.5 inch needle won't do any harm as far as depth is concerned however 1 inch is sufficient even for a person with a high bodyfat you're still going to penetrate the muscle. Which is what you want. The thing you may want to think about is the gauge of needle you're using not the length so much. By using a bigger gauge needle on a regular basis on the same site you are going to build up more scar tissue due to the larger puncture you are subjecting your muscle to every time you pin.

site growth from gear. No that's false if it was true my arse would be the size of a bus by now lol or at least out of proportion to rest of my body and it's not. In saying that larger volumes of oil injected on a regular basis in same site can cause growth due to the oil stretching the muscle similar to an SEO (the most well known one being synthol) which not to the same effect can be slightly mimicked. It's minimal though, I don't believe in it really. If you want site growth use an SEO

[Ketogains]

i use 1 inch 20g to pin quads i have 4 sites i use on the outer quads upper and lower left and right. try to inject bi/weekly in order to give each site about 10 day rest. i like the big needles because the oil goes in fast and smooth. dpont worry about the air in it too much you wont ever die from getting air into a muscle the few bubbles its likley to be.

i find that using a shorter or longer needle gives me the same pip as first time, seems like its opening a new area on different level..

keep an eye on the swelling and soreness and redness if any if you have an issue with gear sterility ou might need to get hold of an empty vial and refilter it into a presteralised sealed vial.it should only be sore for 3-4 days max in the first few weeks and then you usually never notice.

[Ben0]

I use 25g 1inch and only really do glute injections.Was put off quads after hitting to many nerves and shit, never had an issue with glutes. Think I nicked a blood vessel once and had a large lump and bruising on my quad, think it was blood pooling under the skin? Went away after a few days anyway.  Have only ever gone in 1inch, even at higher b/f , and never had a problem. Takes a long time to push in 2ml with 25g, I stuggled a bit pushing in 2ml after doing 0.4ml pins while crusing, even considered doing eod pins to make it a bit easier ,but I'm used to it now. Pinning 1ml with 25g would be easy as

[yeelang]

you get site enhancment from non estered steriods.

TNE, BOLD BASE, NAN BASE, MGF, IGF-1. but it's not for everyone much more PIP and pinning multiple times daily. As for quads, slow and stedy, you will know when you are about to hit a nerve if you go slow and can change the tradgectory.. 

If you are struggling to get gear through a 22 and it's underground it's quite likely your source used a thicker carrier oil which isn't recommened.. I'm assuming you are dosing at 250mg/ml and using a 3ml syringe or under.

Personally give your glutes ago, a lot of people think they are difficult until you actually try.  The "meatest" spot is actually close to your hip than you would think so flexibility isn't really an issue if you can pin in front of a mirror. 

[ngapuhi strong]

My "friend" tryd quad for his first pin of 250mg test e and cause he was in hurry and pushed stuff in really quick he could hardly move his leg next day, second pin he tryed glut didnt get pip as such but felt like ass was bruised and trouble to sleep on after 3weeks of sicking to glut he went back to quad and went really slow with 10second breaks before pushing plunger again, no more pip at all

[Realtalk]

you get site enhancment from non estered steriods.

TNE, BOLD BASE, NAN BASE, MGF, IGF-1. but it's not for everyone much more PIP and pinning multiple times daily. As for quads, slow and stedy, you will know when you are about to hit a nerve if you go slow and can change the tradgectory.. 

If you are struggling to get gear through a 22 and it's underground it's quite likely your source used a thicker carrier oil which isn't recommened.. I'm assuming you are dosing at 250mg/ml and using a 3ml syringe or under.

Personally give your glutes ago, a lot of people think they are difficult until you actually try.  The "meatest" spot is actually close to your hip than you would think so flexibility isn't really an issue if you can pin in front of a mirror. 

Non estered steroids won't give site growth that's a myth. Water based steroids give you a knot and swelling in the muscle this isn't growth if anything long term it's scar tissue and it looks more like a deformity than muscle growth. Steroids work on Your blood not on the muscle directly.

its like the ppl who claim Stanozolol injections make the injection site dryer than rest of your body. It's impossible any growth to a regular injected site occurs over a long period of time and is scar tissue not muscle. 

I don't see how just because a steroid has an ester it won't cause site growth but if doesn't it will, that doesn't make sense mate..

 

[nate225]

^^ RT,

I always thought the reason site gowth wasn't possible with AAS in general was that the esters needed to be cleaved off first, before the active compound could bind to receptors in the skeletal muscle (and other less desireable places). I always wondered if suspension could act directly and perhaps have localised growth effect? Never seen any research to support this but never seen any to debunk the theory either?

 

 

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Sweeeet, legs are taking shots really well now, did both in the same area and feel pretty good:)