Lets talk about shutdown

[Taekwando]

Ive been doing some research lately about hpta shut down, now i always thpught that shutdown was shutdown theres no way u can past 0. So what im wondering is why people say that 19-or compounds eg tren and deca shut u down harder? I can understand that the deca could be due to the long acting deconate esther which will linger for longer which would be evident to why your shut down for longer but tren i always presume that due to the acetate esther it would clear out of your system faster leading to a quicker recovery?? 

[atrollappears]

Ive been doing some research lately about hpta shut down, now i always thpught that shutdown was shutdown theres no way u can past 0. So what im wondering is why people say that 19-or compounds eg tren and deca shut u down harder? I can understand that the deca could be due to the long acting deconate esther which will linger for longer which would be evident to why your shut down for longer but tren i always presume that due to the acetate esther it would clear out of your system faster leading to a quicker recovery?? 

Its nothing to do with release due to esterification.. Its the loss of a carbon atom in the 19th position, creating a greater binding affinity for the progesterone receptor of many 19-nor steroids. Associated side effects with progesterone are similar to those of estrogen:...

Negative feed back..!! 

[AZIDE]

i think if for example you took a single 500mg shot of tren or deca it would take your body longer to produce your normal natural test levels again than if you did a 500mg shot of test and probably drop the levels lower than the test shot would.

That to my understanding is what people mean by 'shut you down harder'

[Taekwando]

Oh k, well im asking this questions because im keen on a test tren cycle as my2nd cycle with tren at 100mg eod for 8 weeks things that gives me second thoughts tho is all these people online saying how horrible tren shut down is  

[AZIDE]

Just run the test for a few weeks longer than the tren if you're gonna go off after rather than cruise. I had just as bad shutdown/recovery time from a test only cycle as with a test+tren cycle. I ran the test longer than the tren and I used both nolva and Clomid with tren+test wheras used nolva+adex for test only cycle.

[AZIDE]

Wouldnt even bother with SERMS myself now. Just stay on or taper off fully if you don't want to stay on and use an AI when tapering and for short while after. Dunno if its considered necessary and probably more important coming down from higher doses but that's what I'd do

[kpat102]

yeah dude i came off 20 weeks test e @ 500mg/week for 20 weeks, did 40 40 20 20 nolva, 50 50 50 50 clomid, adex and hcg both during cycle and STILL havent recovered..f*ck knows why ae i guess its just different for everyone?

[Taekwando]

Just run the test for a few weeks longer than the tren if you're gonna go off after rather than cruise. I had just as bad shutdown/recovery time from a test only cycle as with a test+tren cycle. I ran the test longer than the tren and I used both nolva and Clomid with tren+test wheras used nolva+adex for test only cycle.

Yea bro thats what the plan was to run the test 2 weeks after i drop tren cycle would look like this 

week 1-12 250mg test e

week 2-10 350mg tren ace 

week 14-20 nolva/clomid

recovery after my first test only cycle was great luckily just double minded bout this 1.

[Taekwando]

yeah dude i came off 20 weeks test e @ 500mg/week for 20 weeks, did 40 40 20 20 nolva, 50 50 50 50 clomid, adex and hcg both during cycle and STILL havent recovered..f*ck knows why ae i guess its just different for everyone?

How come u went for 20 weeks bro? Did u see gains like after week 12? Just give it time i reckon it will just take a bit longer to get back up there.