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Ok so still a newbie here, a bit about me I have been going to the gym on and off for years but over the last few years I have been hard out 3 days on and then a day off. I have never gained much as I was 70 kg and am now 74  kg and 15% BF. I eat quite clean most of the time and am very dedicated at the gym I work until my muscles shake I work hard. 

 

So 5"9" 74kg and 15% BF maybe 16 now though age 44. I have cut and pasted a diet that I feel will work ok for me from another well known site, this will increase my intake by about 500 cal per day. This is my first cycle. 

Meal 1:
 
-8 egg whites or liquid equivalent
 
-2 whole Omega-3 eggs
 
-1/2 cup of oatmeal
 
Or:
 
-40 grams whey isolate powder
 
-1tbsp natural peanut butter
 
-1/2 cup of oatmeal
 
 
KCL: 430-480, PT: 40-45, Carb: 40-45, Fat: 10-12
 
Meal 2:
 
-40 grams whey isolate powder mixed in water
 
-2tbsp of natural peanut butter
 
Or:
 
-6oz filet or lean beef
 
-green vegetables or green salad
 
 
KCL: 400-450, PT: 40-45, Carb: 5-10, Fat: 20-25
 
Meal 3:
 
-8oz chicken breast, turkey or fish
 
-1/2 cup rice
 
-1oz almonds or cashews
 
-green vegetables
 
Or:
 
-8oz chicken breast, turkey or fish
 
-1 sweet potato
 
-1oz almonds or cashews
 
-green vegetables
 
 
 
KCL: 575-600, PT: 40-50, Carb: 30-35, Fat: 20-25
 
Meal 4:
 
-Same as meal 1 or 3
 
-If meal 1 option 2, add an extra tbsp of PB
 
Mix it up to help with variety
 
KCL: 530-600, PT: 40-45, Carb: 40-45, Fat: 18-25
 
Meal 5:
 
-Same as meal 2
 
KCL: 400-450, PT: 40-45, Carb: 5-10, Fat: 20-25
 
Meal6:
 
-8 egg whites or liquid equivalent
 
-2 whole Omega-3 eggs
 
Or:
 
-6oz filet or lean beef
 
Or:
 
-40 grams whey isolate mixed in water
 
-2tbsp natural peanut butter
 
 
KCL: KCL: 450-480, PT: 40-45, Carb: 0-10, Fat: 10-20
 
 
Daily Totals:
 
Calories (KCL): 2785-3060
 
Protein (PT): 240-275
 
Carb: 120-150
 
Fat: 98-132
 
 
Now ow for a cycle I am limited to what I have
 
20 1ml 100mg test e
2 x 10ml 300mg Decca
HCG 3 1500 IU. Dry powder and 3 ams 1ml solvent
 
i was told run 1ml test e and 1ml Decca every other day this is a short cycle I know but this is all I have at the moment I also know from what ATrollappears has said the HCGs are a waste but as I said this is all I have at the moment, this was difficult enough for me to get. 
 
Any advice ice how best to utilise what I have would be appreciated. 
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buy more gear or just dont use it. that 6 week cycle is a pointless

I can get more while I start this hopefully but this is all I have at the moment.  I can possibly lay my hands on another 10ml test and 10 ml Decca taking the cycle to 8 weeks. Remember I am new to this and thought perhaps gently slowly to begin and to see how my body reacts etc. 

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IMO thats still on the short side. 12 weeks would be minimum id do if i was going to do another cycle. some people reckon 8 is enough though. you hoping someone on here will sell you gear?

I have the gear and will just get more but always a risk getting it for me as my source is not in NZ. I have read the rules Azide asking for advice not gear thanks. 

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IMO thats still on the short side. 12 weeks would be minimum id do if i was going to do another cycle. some people reckon 8 is enough though. you hoping someone on here will sell you gear?

I have the gear and will just get more but always a risk getting it for me as my source is not in NZ. I have read the rules Azide

i dont care if you follow the rules or not as im not a moderator. just curious if you wanted nz ug gear or just wanted pharma gear which im assuming yours is?

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IMO thats still on the short side. 12 weeks would be minimum id do if i was going to do another cycle. some people reckon 8 is enough though. you hoping someone on here will sell you gear?

I have the gear and will just get more but always a risk getting it for me as my source is not in NZ. I have read the rules Azide

i dont care if you follow the rules or not as im not a moderator. just curious if you wanted nz ug gear or just wanted pharma gear which im assuming yours is?

It is my understanding this will get me banned by clicking yes lol. The gear is pharma yes I am open to trying UG gear but I do not know what's shit and what isn't so went with pharma to be sure. 

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also 3 days on 1 day off and to failure, that's very intensive even for healthy guys half your age. i hate saying overtraining but at your age it's very likely you are not recovering properly from such workouts. gains of ~1.25kilos per year at 70kilos - very clear indicator that you should try adopt another strategy!

 

isn't it basic commonsense that you wait until you have everything required before even starting something like this? that includes PCT , seems like it would make even more sense given how risky it is waiting for stuff to clear through the mail.. what if you're half way through and just have to stop because no more stock?

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also 3 days on 1 day off and to failure, that's very intensive even for healthy guys half your age. i hate saying overtraining but at your age it's very likely you are not recovering properly from such workouts. gains of ~1.25kilos per year at 70kilos - very clear indicator that you should try adopt another strategy!

 

isn't it basic commonsense that you wait until you have everything required before even starting something like this? that includes PCT , seems like it would make even more sense given how risky it is waiting for stuff to clear through the mail.. what if you're half way through and just have to stop because no more stock?

Hi well 3 days on and 1 day off over the last year eighteen months has given me the 4 kg I have a 3 day split done for me by a PT. I am asking advice and appreciate your imput I will perhaps wait until I have the rest before I start this is logical I am in no huge rush as I want to get it right.  I need to get more ridged with my diet also and this will take a few weeks to fine tune. Look I got my advice on this cycle from a friend who apparently knows a lot but perhaps not enough, he said the HCGs will sort me out at the end of the cycle. I only posted originally in the forums after it was ordered as I only found these forums recently I use to frequent another that is not in NZ. I am working here on what a friend has told me so am open to advice. 

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Ok so still a newbie here, a bit about me I have been going to the gym on and off for years but over the last few years I have been hard out 3 days on and then a day off. I have never gained much as I was 70 kg and am now 74  kg and 15% BF. I eat quite clean most of the time and am very dedicated at the gym I work until my muscles shake I work hard. 

 

So 5"9" 74kg and 15% BF maybe 16 now though age 44. I have cut and pasted a diet that I feel will work ok for me from another well known site, this will increase my intake by about 500 cal per day. This is my first cycle.

  
Now ow for a cycle I am limited to what I have
 
20 1ml 100mg test e
2 x 10ml 300mg Deca
HCG 3 1500 IU. Dry powder and 3 ams 1ml solvent
 
i was told run 1ml test e and 1ml Decca every other day this is a short cycle I know but this is all I have at the moment I also know from what ATrollappears has said the HCGs are a waste but as I said this is all I have at the moment, this was difficult enough for me to get. 
 
Any advice ice how best to utilise what I have would be appreciated. 

There are several factors I would take into account if giving advice...

i) First cycle...

ii) Weight:Height ratio... 

iii)Body fat%...

iv) Compound choice...

Its your first cycle, your only 74kg at 5'9" with body-fat at 15-16%... 

Ideally on a first cycle one compound only should be used, Testosterone... The main reason: Test' should be the base of all future cycles, by using Test only on your first cycle and keeping a record of gains, side effects etc' you should know in the future what to expect on Test.. If further compounds are introduced on future cycles any difference can be attributed to the new compound and appropreate measures taken...

Body fat should be lower than 15-16%, and nearer 10-12%.. Reson: The aromatase enzyme that converts Testosterone to Estrogen if found to some degree in adipose (fat tissue).... More BF, more conversion to Estrogen.. (side effects)..

Put the Deca on one side for a later cycle, two reasons: one I mentioned above, the 2nd reason: with your BF% high there is a greater likelyhood you will get aromatization to Estrogen... Deca is a 19-nor and potentially can equate to side effects for some people.. In your case 19-nors can cause gyno in the presence of high levels of Estrogen which you may have... Deca is a no-no for you this time.... Plus you have NO ESTROGEN CONTROL if the shit hits the fan.. (Like Nolva, Aromasin, Adex)... If gyno starts you can't stop it....!!!

You already know what I think about hCG...

Testosterone is fine for your first cycle... At 74kgs I would recommend a dose of 350mg if supplies are short... 8-10 weeks should be fine as a starter...

For the Test-E you have in 1ml vials pin EOD this will create more stable blood concentrations... 350mg/week should bo Ok for your body size...... Just one problem: You clearly don't have enough..!!!

Whilst waiting for more Test to arrive, I would seriously attempt to get that BF% down... And get some Nolvadex for PCT.... Enough for 20mg ED for 4 weeks....

I'm sure I've forgotten something.... but that will do for now..!!

If you've ordered Pharma Test + Deca.. you can mention what brand you've got..?

 

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Ok so still a newbie here, a bit about me I have been going to the gym on and off for years but over the last few years I have been hard out 3 days on and then a day off. I have never gained much as I was 70 kg and am now 74  kg and 15% BF. I eat quite clean most of the time and am very dedicated at the gym I work until my muscles shake I work hard. 

 

So 5"9" 74kg and 15% BF maybe 16 now though age 44. I have cut and pasted a diet that I feel will work ok for me from another well known site, this will increase my intake by about 500 cal per day. This is my first cycle.

  
Now ow for a cycle I am limited to what I have
 
20 1ml 100mg test e
2 x 10ml 300mg Deca
HCG 3 1500 IU. Dry powder and 3 ams 1ml solvent
 
i was told run 1ml test e and 1ml Decca every other day this is a short cycle I know but this is all I have at the moment I also know from what ATrollappears has said the HCGs are a waste but as I said this is all I have at the moment, this was difficult enough for me to get. 
 
Any advice ice how best to utilise what I have would be appreciated. 

There are several factors I would take into account if giving advice...

i) First cycle...

ii) Weight:Height ratio... 

iii)Body fat%...

iv) Compound choice...

Its your first cycle, your only 74kg at 5'9" with body-fat at 15-16%... 

Ideally on a first cycle one compound only should be used, Testosterone... The main reason: Test' should be the base of all future cycles, by using Test only on your first cycle and keeping a record of gains, side effects etc' you should know in the future what to expect on Test.. If further compounds are introduced on future cycles any difference can be attributed to the new compound and appropreate measures taken...

Body fat should be lower than 15-16%, and nearer 10-12%.. Reson: The aromatase enzyme that converts Testosterone to Estrogen if found to some degree in adipose (fat tissue).... More BF, more conversion to Estrogen.. (side effects)..

Put the Deca on one side for a later cycle, two reasons: one I mentioned above, the 2nd reason: with your BF% high there is a greater likelyhood you will get aromatization to Estrogen... Deca is a 19-nor and potentially can equate to side effects for some people.. In your case 19-nors can cause gyno in the presence of high levels of Estrogen which you may have... Deca is a no-no for you this time.... Plus you have NO ESTROGEN CONTROL if the shit hits the fan.. (Like Nolva, Aromasin, Adex)... If gyno starts you can't stop it....!!!

You already know what I think about hCG...

Testosterone is fine for your first cycle... At 74kgs I would recommend a dose of 350mg if supplies are short... 8-10 weeks should be fine as a starter...

For the Test-E you have in 1ml vials pin EOD this will create more stable blood concentrations... 350mg/week should bo Ok for your body size...... Just one problem: You clearly don't have enough..!!!

Whilst waiting for more Test to arrive, I would seriously attempt to get that BF% down... And get some Nolvadex for PCT.... Enough for 20mg ED for 4 weeks....

I'm sure I've forgotten something.... but that will do for now..!!

If you've ordered Pharma Test + Deca.. you can mention what brand you've got..?

 

Organon but this maybe UG perhaps as from what I have read a lot of decca is fake. I am in no huge rush and will get some Novadex as you recommend are these in tablets? I assume so are you saying to take this for the last 4 weeks and not bother with HCGs when should I start these?. I will get more test and concentrate on getting my BF lower. 

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Don't make it more complex then it needs to be man. Get enough test for 350mg/week for 12 weeks, have an AI on hand, and nolva for pct

What AI do you recommend, are they tablets do I have to take them I am sorry this is a first for me and I am a patient person and will wait until I have all that I need to rune a successful cycle even dropping my BF as atrollappears suggests.

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Organon but this maybe UG perhaps as from what I have read a lot of decca is fake. I am in no huge rush and will get some Novadex as you recommend are these in tablets? I assume so are you saying to take this for the last 4 weeks and not bother with HCGs. I will get more test and concentrate on getting my BF lower. 

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I ran 0.5mg adex every 3rd day on my first cycle but you probably won't see many estrogen related sides on 350mg.. But you need it on hand incase you get any estrogen related sides (not just gyno) doses can vary. 30mg total should be sweet just to have on hand

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Organon but this maybe UG perhaps as from what I have read a lot of decca is fake. I am in no huge rush and will get some Novadex as you recommend are these in tablets? I assume so are you saying to take this for the last 4 weeks and not bother with HCGs. I will get more test and concentrate on getting my BF lower. 

Nolva is tablets, yes.. (Tamoxifen) take 2 weeks after last pin... for 4 weeks 20mg/day...

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I ran 0.5mg adex every 3rd day on my first cycle but you probably won't see many estrogen related sides on 350mg.. But you need it on hand incase you get any estrogen related sides (not just gyno) doses can vary. 30mg total should be sweet just to have on hand

Thank you I will get this with the test and PCT that was recommended by atrollappears

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And 1ml of deca EOD is over 1000mg/week if your deca is 300mg/ml.

Bro tell your mate or whoever giving you advice to f*ck off. They don't know shit, be surprised if they know how to tie fucking show laces.

We all begin at the beginning and thanks to a lot of help I think I am on my way to lining up a good cycle but will drop the BF before I start and have my diet at 100%

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