Brand names

[train hard]

The brand war threads where epic the more info available the better either been true or false.

Nobody should make decisions regarding steroids or there health based soley  on what they read on an internet forum.

 

 

 

[yeelang]

Yeelang - Lol how is a discussion between people saying they can get a particular compound for a certain $ value any different to a discussion between people regarding brand names? That still has exactly the same (if any) legal ramifications for the website and the poster is still technically incriminating themselves either way. The thing with a price only policy is that if you have shit gear you can hide behind the fact that no one can identify your shit gear through branding weather it be a label name or the various ways your product is put together (vials, stopper, cap etc). That just disregards atrollappears entire point about health and safety.

im not sure what you're suggesting, perhaps you could give an example yeelang?

p.s you couldn't make it any more obvious what your on here for, what's the geographical prices in your part of the country? 

Mr X submits a price he paid for a certain compound to the moderator via private message.

The message includes the price and location,  for example: Tren A @ 100mg, $8/ml, Auckland

The moderator would then choose whether to index it in a locked thread. The index would be pseudonymous and *, **, *** stars awarded to the index depending on the credibility of the submitter/submission. 

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The legal rammifications are very different but in short steriods aren't illegal but blackmarkets are.

 It seems you're appraching the suggestions in terms of how they will benefit sellers, I'm trying to see how we can improve the information base of the steriod section while still conforming legally and morally.

Repressing brand talk on a product is counter-intuative to marketing that product. my suggestion is to benefit the website, look through my post history you will see it's the same.

 

 

 

 

[atrollappears]

Mr X submits a price he paid for a certain compound to the moderator via private message.

The message includes the price and location,  for example: Tren A @ 100mg, $8/ml, Auckland

The moderator would then choose whether to index it in a locked thread. The index would be pseudonymous and *, **, *** stars awarded to the index depending on the credibility of the submitter/submission. 

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The legal rammifications are very different but in short steriods aren't illegal but blackmarkets are.

 It seems you're appraching the suggestions in terms of how they will benefit sellers, I'm trying to see how we can improve the information base of the steriod section while still conforming legally and morally.

Repressing brand talk on a product is counter-intuative to marketing that product. my suggestion is to benefit the website, look through my post history you will see it's the same.

 

Interesting option via locked thread, which would obviously remove the idiot factor...Unsure as to what legal ramifications would then apply to the Web-site or owner/moderators. 

As with anything it is open to abuse via manipulation of moderator(s) for a better/worse report on product.

If my original principles are applied of: Compound authenticity, dosage quantity, sterility issues of product...... with maybe a price guide.?? How does Pseudonym stand legally..?

What is allowed in NZ law:

i) GC/MS showing products authenticity

ii) Photos showing labelling of product

iii) Blood tests submitted suggesting a products quantity mg/ml

iv) Health review, or accompanying Doctors assessment, and/or photos of area effected.??

v) Price paid for a particular product

Maybe Pseudonym could advise.... Kinda pointless having further discussion if its not a legal option..

 

 

[Pseudonym]

I think this is a discussion worth having, Atrollappears. As I say, if a workable solution can be found, I'm willing to change the rules.

Having said that, I don't think we can have the moderators involved in any sort of ratings system, whether it be brands, products, or suppliers (that would effectively be endorsing them) or members (because frankly, we have no way of know who's trustworthy and who's not). I appreciate Yeelang's suggestion, but I'm also hesitant to give the mods more "admin" work - they've all got better things to do.

The goal here is to provide a forum that allows discussion on product for health and safety reasons, but doesn't allow the promotion of a brand (or defamation of the competitors).

As Realtalk says, price discussions alone won't make steroid use any safer.

Atroll's suggestions might, but I think they could also be open to abuse. Any thoughts on how we can ensure the second half of that goal (no brand promotion or defamation) is enforced?

[Pseudonym]

I'm bumping up this topic to keep the discussion happening. I want to see this solved, but I can't work out the answer alone.

 

Let's say brand discussion was allowed, but talk was restricted to reporting the following:

i) GC/MS showing products authenticity

ii) Photos showing labelling of product

iii) Blood tests submitted suggesting a products quantity mg/ml

iv) Health review, or accompanying Doctors assessment, and/or photos of area effected.??

That ticks the box for our "health and safety" criteria. And, assuming people's reports are true, it makes promotion/defamation of a brand difficult. But...

- How do you ensure that the reports are true, not faked?
- What happens in the grey areas of health reviews? What if someone says, "I took X and felt feverish" but has no doctor's assessment?

 

v) Price paid for a particular product

I'm not sure that this one ticks the health and safety box, does it? What's the justification for including it?

[Leeroid]

Who's actually got the access/funds/incentive to get a GC/MS done on underground steroids? Would be good to have an independent third party verify potency/legitimacy of the major UG brands in NZ though. Not sure that's going to happen

[Ben0]

Who's actually got the access/funds/incentive to get a GC/MS done on underground steroids? Would be good to have an independent third party verify potency/legitimacy of the major UG brands in NZ though. Not sure that's going to happen

Then this is discredited by people relabeling / cutting down these brands..

[Ben0]

But I still think some disscussion should be allowed. Is still helpful to know a brand that is dodgey/known for underdosing etc..I wouldnt be paying much attention to positive comments myself as like I say above copycats can discredit this instantly. But to know known bad/unsafe brands would only be a positive thing for all invovled..

[atrollappears]

Always happy to help things bump along...... *bye*

i) GC/MS showing products authenticity

ii) Photos showing labelling of product

iii) Blood tests submitted suggesting a products quantity mg/ml

iv) Health review, or accompanying Doctors assessment, and/or photos of area effected.??

I would prefer Members "Health and Welfare" as opposed to "Health & Safety"... That terminology pisses me off, the way its unwarranted enforcement is infecting NZ society.. *diablo*

I would naturally agree with the inclusion of the above 4 points.....!!!!!

- How do you ensure that the reports are true, not faked?
- What happens in the grey areas of health reviews? What if someone says, "I took X and felt feverish" but has no doctor's assessment?

I mentioned earlier, everything is open to abuse, maybe let it run for a while and see how it goes.. Delete inappropriate posts quickly, and trust in Members goodwill and honesty.. After all its in most peoples best interest.. Any dubious comments or assessments take them at face value, someones whinge of a days fever, as opposed to GC/MS from a University Lab..!! Which one carrys greater reliability...

Over to anyone else....

 

 

[atrollappears]

Who's actually got the access/funds/incentive to get a GC/MS done on underground steroids? Would be good to have an independent third party verify potency/legitimacy of the major UG brands in NZ though. Not sure that's going to happen

I know of some GC/MS already done a while back.....

[Ben0]

Also the possiblitly of a seperate part of the forum limited to memebers with say 100posts?(if possible) This way people can gauge the person posting a little better and also stop those 1post members from messing things up..And also keep the info a bit more secure..

[AZIDE]

bascally it will be the same as it was before when brand name discussion was allowed. real question is which option is better.

 

blood tests and doctors reports dont mean shit. i could go get bloods done now and get good result and say i was taking 'xxxx' brand which is a shit underdosed brand when in actuality i was taking legit stuff. or get bloods done when im taking nothing and say I was running brand 'yyyy' test at 1000mg/week and therefore is shit.

 

or someone could be taking a legit brand and get an infection which came from their shit injection practise, not from the gear and get doctors report. then post blaming the gear

[atrollappears]

bascally it will be the same as it was before when brand name discussion was allowed. real question is which option is better.

 

blood tests and doctors reports dont mean shit. i could go get bloods done now and get good result and say i was taking 'xxxx' brand which is a shit underdosed brand when in actuality i was taking legit stuff. or get bloods done when im taking nothing and say I was running brand 'yyyy' test at 1000mg/week and therefore is shit.

 

or someone could be taking a legit brand and get an infection which came from their shit injection practise, not from the gear and get doctors report. then post blaming the gear

As previously stated its open to abuse, and may at the best come down to whether you believe in the reputation of someone on the net you don't know & have never met..!!

I still believe if someone has a concern with a product it should be permissable to post up a pic to confirm authenticity of presentation: label, vial, stopper etc..!!  Or ask if anyone has experienced issues with a certain brand... 

Obviously a picture can't confirm if its been re-capped and filled with olive oil.. With regards to a post a few years ago someone asked about a pharma product I used back home, the pic they posted showed it wasn't anything like the original, hence they didnt buy and crooks were exposed..

I'm kinda struggling here Gentlemen so would welcome some positive feedback, I am of the belief we shouldn't be sensored like 6yr olds just for mentioning a brand name..... If some poor bastard has been ripped off with substandard or fake gear, we should at least be able to offer some assistance in one form or another....!!!

 

[justhell]

Im backing the troll on this subject, he makes good sense.

Im sure it would work & be positive for gymnation.

This is a steroid fourm after all.