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I'm planning on a bulking cycle in the next few months. I plan to include test e ,tren ace and maybe some eq..just need some ideas on dosages. 

Have always gone with the idea of keeping the tren higher then the test - thoughts on this?

Was thinking something along the times of:

Tbol kick start weeks 1-4 (maybe dbol, just not keen on the bloat)

Test E 500mg/week 1-20

EQ 500/600mg week 1-20

Tren Ace 600mg weeks 1-12 maybe out to 15

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Test e 600/700mg

EQ 600mg

Tren ace 400mg

Thoughts on this?  Is it worth dropping the eq? Have run 500mg/week test over 15weeks with good results. And have cut with 245mg/week test, 350mg tren ace with little to no sides, except a bit of a drop in libido and the odd night sweat.

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I'm planning on a bulking cycle in the next few months. I plan to include test e ,tren ace and maybe some eq..just need some ideas on dosages. 

Have always gone with the idea of keeping the tren higher then the test - thoughts on this?

Was thinking something along the times of:

Tbol kick start weeks 1-4 (maybe dbol, just not keen on the bloat)

Test E 500mg/week 1-20

EQ 500/600mg week 1-20

Tren Ace 600mg weeks 1-12 maybe out to 15

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Test e 600/700mg

EQ 600mg

Tren ace 400mg

Thoughts on this?  Is it worth dropping the eq? Have run 500mg/week test over 15weeks with good results. And have cut with 245mg/week test, 350mg tren ace with little to no sides, except a bit of a drop in libido and the odd night sweat.

The theory behind low-Test/high-Tren:

Trenbolone competes more for the AR than Testosterone, IE:Trenbolone has a higher binding affinity than test (Tren gets first pass at the AR). The amount of Testosterone with Tren is the dominant factor in the number of side effects you experience. Apparently Tren leaves Test floating in the bloodstream longer, which tends to exagerate the number of side effects, IE: longer to bind aromatase, & 5-alpha reductase enzymes. Tren increases certain sensitivitys for estrogen receptors due to its progesterinic nature.. When running high Tren, 250mg of Testosterone is sufficient to amplify the anabolic effect, keep libido high, moods normal.. Allowing Tren to do the real work..

You could throw in Masteron low dose to take care of any Estrogen issues if you are particulary sensitive...

Isn't this like your 2nd cycle, ish..?? I personaly wouldn't bother with Boldenone save it for another cycle, again low-Test/high-Boldenone the idea being: Testosterone has a higher binding affinity than Boldenone, low Test (250mg) for libido, mood etc' Boldenone High (800mg) to maximise the benefits of Boldenone....

 

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Tren-A at 600mg/week is very high for a beginner....!!!!!

25-50mg of legit Tren/day made from original cattle pellets would cripple most people with side effects, acne, sweating, cramping 15 mins into a workout..

I appreciate the raw powders coming out of China are shite and nowhere near as strong as the original pharma "back in the day"... but 600mg is over doing it IMO.....!!!! 

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Thanks , some good info. I have run 50mg/day of tren while cutting with no real side effects.. So you think something along the lines of 350-400mg tren with 250 test should still give me good gains on a bulking cycle?

350mg of legit Tren would give you excellant gains... 

As long as you eat, and train optimally...!!!

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Interesting to know. I don't want to run doses higher then I have to , but want to make the most of it while I have shut myself down. Reasons for dropping the eq? Wouldn't help with this stack ? Or just not needed on top of the test/tren?

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Interesting to know. I don't want to run doses higher then I have to , but want to make the most of it while I have shut myself down. Reasons for dropping the eq? Wouldn't help with this stack ? Or just not needed on top of the test/tren?

More doesn't necessarily equate to greater gains...

How I see it: As a relative newbie jumping on high dose or multiple compounds, you're just wasting money, whilst giving yourself more side effects...

For people that have been on AAS a short time: There is no way AR have upregulated enough to benefit from high doses of gear.. AR are upregulated through prolongued high dose usage, as a newbie this just wont have happened yet..

If you have been on AAS a while, especially if on hGH then a higher dose could apply...

Boldenone High-dose/low-Test is an excellant cycle in its own right, save it for another day..

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Doesn't sound like a bad idea kiwi! Main reason for the ace is I can get ahold of it much easier/cheaper..only pinning twice a week does sound good tho!

A couple of things of note: On a mg/ml basis Tren-A comes out at 81mg/ml if genuine.. As opposed to Tren-E at 66mg/ml....

Trenbolone Acetate (81.1%)

Trenbolone Enanthate (66.2%) 

Injection site and volume do not seem to affect half-life, but for some as of yet inexplicable reason the Glute 1 ml shot has a much higher bio-availability, as opposed to quads/delts (AUC of 78% I think to 53-56% for the other two treatments). So it seems for whatever reason injection of the lower volume in the bigger muscle results in more of the drug being taken up in the system.

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93.full

Lower volume more frequently = greater bioavailibility of compound....

 

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Haha yea its not the cheapest cycle around when you add in orals, AI's nolva etc.

So without doing the math, the difference in ester weight could be offset by pinning tren e twice a week in glutes only? But then if lower volume more frequently gives greater bioavailibity, all of those shots cant be in the glutes..So it would be offset again favouring the ace? *scratch_one-s_head*

 


 

 

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Doesn't sound like a bad idea kiwi! Main reason for the ace is I can get ahold of it much easier/cheaper..only pinning twice a week does sound good tho!

Yeah Bro i speak experience lol

Tren A is definatley cheaper in the long run but pinning that shit ED damn that wore thin real fast ouch!!

 

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Haha yea its not the cheapest cycle around when you add in orals, AI's nolva etc.

So without doing the math, the difference in ester weight could be offset by pinning tren e twice a week in glutes only? But then if lower volume more frequently gives greater bioavailibity, all of those shots cant be in the glutes..So it would be offset again favouring the ace? Scratch one-s head

Why...???? 

From how I understand it: When you inject IM you actually inject interlaminally and the depot is free to disperse over the entire length and width of the laminae (it's what you mechanically expedite by massaging the spot). When you inject twice, even if you tried, you'd have a very hard time hitting the exact same spot to an extent where you would continuously build up the same depot. If it's not outright impossible. When released from the depot it would immediately come into contact with an aqueous environment of the intracellular fluid.

Of note: there is no dry spot in there where this stuff crystallizes. When in aqueous environment (away from oil, and depending on where injected, intramuscular fat) the ester is hydrolyzed yielding free steroid that is quickly taken up into circulation.

No reason not to pin ED Ben.... Use a small needle 25G...

 

 

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Wow! same spot for extended periods? Yikes! My rotation is EOD with Tren in there so right quad, 2 days later right delt, 2 days later left quad etc.. I guess you could vary the length of the pin and also maybe get some rough deep tissue rub downs to limit the scar tissue or break it up? I feel mine as I poke thru haha some spots is pretty tough to push the oil in.

Ben0 I'm keen for multiple glute snapchats... ;)

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I always use 25g. And glutes are my prefered spot to pin so might give it a go. Bit off topic but what is the average mg/ml on most tren e?

Usually 100mg... But whatever people make it at.

people are fucked in the head they will pay $150 for 10ml 100mg/ml but won't pay $250 for 200mg/ml. Waste of time making 200mg/ml tren... (They say it's too expensive) lol

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Wow! same spot for extended periods? Yikes! My rotation is EOD with Tren in there so right quad, 2 days later right delt, 2 days later left quad etc.. I guess you could vary the length of the pin and also maybe get some rough deep tissue rub downs to limit the scar tissue or break it up? I feel mine as I poke thru haha some spots is pretty tough to push the oil in.

Ben0 I'm keen for multiple glute snapchats... ;)

haha, You still hitting the tren donz?

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