Testing in BB competitions?

[Pseudonym]

What's the current situation with drug testing in bodybuilding competitions? Both here in NZ, and overseas?

I was having this conversation with a friend (he'd asked how many in the NZIFBB Physique class would be using gear). I confidently told him that no bodybuilding federation did drug testing in NZ any more, and it was much the same overseas.

He pointed out an international IFBB competitor who got picked up for using a pre-workout supp with a banned stimulant in it. That made me question what I "knew" about the current rules.

So what's the status quo? Aware me, plz.

[jimmybro1]

What's the current situation with drug testing in bodybuilding competitions? Both here in NZ, and overseas?

I was having this conversation with a friend (he'd asked how many in the NZIFBB Physique class would be using gear). I confidently told him that no bodybuilding federation did drug testing in NZ any more, and it was much the same overseas.

He pointed out an international IFBB competitor who got picked up for using a pre-workout supp with a banned stimulant in it. That made me question what I "knew" about the current rules.

So what's the status quo? Aware me, plz.

NZIFBB don't test only federation that tests in New Zealand is the INBA.

I think IFBB did or do testing for diuretics but not other compounds. 

[jimmybro1]

Think there should be some info in this re state of things worldwide....

 

As far as Im aware only INBA in NZ but not entirely sure the scope of this.

 

Sad if just testing for diuretics, as that to me sounds like a reaction to test for something that is most likely to kill as opposed to everything else that could also give an unfair advantage too.... but at the end of the day....if it were to save someones life short-term....

Tested shows don't mean drug free. 

 

[Leeroid]

Does INBA actually perform blood and urine tests? Because in american natural feds all they do is get hooked up to a lie detector and asked whthjer they've taken any PEDs

[Leeroid]

As for the guy that got busted for a banned stimulant it was Rob Riches and he competes in the WBFF which is supposedly a natural federation. Looking at the people that compete there though its hard to believe they're completely natural. Simeon panda, Ulisses Jr., Chulsoon Hwang, Jaco de Bruyn etc.

[Realtalk]

Does INBA actually perform blood and urine tests? Because in american natural feds all they do is get hooked up to a lie detector and asked whthjer they've taken any PEDs

 

 

No no they don't... Whose gonna pay the $800 per test that it costs? I doubt peter hardwick is gonna do that. That would drive his federation into bankruptcy. I think it's just a scare tactic printing on the posters that "this event will be drug tested". There is no SPARC funding incentives to drug test for in the INBA in nz. Anyone who uses and does an INBA competition is a total loser anyway.

[Realtalk]

Yeah there is drug testing at the amateur ifbb international competitions I think it's the same as the IOC. Just because it stops in New Zealand doesn't mean it stops overseas. It differs from country to country. In nz when the ifbb was drug tested under mark Stewart it was because they received finding from SPARC and they don't want to fund sports with drug cheats in them. This is why everyone in nzpf gets all up in arms when someone fails a test because it affects their record with SPARC and funding. So now ifbb in nz isn't tested because I guess they've decided they could do better without the drug testing and the funding was f*ck all.

Was a good decision to dump it IMO 

[Leeroid]

Good explanation

[Pseudonym]

Good answers all round. Cheers guys - I've pointed my mate to this topic.

 

there is drug testing at the amateur ifbb international competitions I think it's the same as the IOC

I'd always thought that part of the argument for dropping the NZIFBB testing was that overseas comps didn't test, and therefore our tested athletes were suddenly finding themselves out of their depth when going up against untested guys?

[Realtalk]

Good answers all round. Cheers guys - I've pointed my mate to this topic.

 

there is drug testing at the amateur ifbb international competitions I think it's the same as the IOC

I'd always thought that part of the argument for dropping the NZIFBB testing was that overseas comps didn't test, and therefore our tested athletes were suddenly finding themselves out of their depth when going up against untested guys?

I'm not really sure but it's common knowledge that at the ifbb worlds there is drug testing, this doesn't mean there is any drug testing before or after it. Just at the competition. There were even some positive tests at last years competition. I'm not entirely sure how it works that they are tested at some competitions and not at others and how different ifbb countries have different testing regimes or lack of. I don't even think the ifbb really knows, they would have to be the most disjointed confused sporting federation/organisation on the planet.

as for your mate saying about the ifbb competitor banned for pre workout.. That is the cause the ifbb signed up to the IOC (international Olympic commitee) drug testing programme. Lots of stimulants are on their banned list which are found in a lot if supplements and prescription medicines such as asthma inhalers and what have you. It was abit like when tony ligaliga got banned for bzp, at that time it was legal in nz but on the banned list.

[Pseudonym]

as for your mate saying about the ifbb competitor banned for pre workout..

For the record, I got that wrong. It was Rob Riches from WBFF as Leeroid guessed. But I think everything you said still applies.

 

So what do you guys think about my mate's original question - how many in the NZIFBB Physique class would be using gear?

[Leeroid]

Lol the answer would shock most people. Thats as much as I am willing to say

[Realtalk]

as for your mate saying about the ifbb competitor banned for pre workout..

For the record, I got that wrong. It was Rob Riches from WBFF as Leeroid guessed. But I think everything you said still applies.

 

Same, same. Could happen in an ifbb tested event.

 

[donz]

Haha I'm with Tom. I'm friends with too many guys and it's not my place to say who does what in that category or others. 

 

[holdenman]

as for your mate saying about the ifbb competitor banned for pre workout..

For the record, I got that wrong. It was Rob Riches from WBFF as Leeroid guessed. But I think everything you said still applies.

 

So what do you guys think about my mate's original question - how many in the NZIFBB Physique class would be using gear?

Would any of them not be using gear? I think that's a better question.

[Realtalk]

Mens bikini. It's a joke.

[Pseudonym]

Yeah, I don't want to start bashing the Physique class though. It's not the bodybuilding class I'd choose, but clearly plenty of people do.

Everyone's responses on the gear question are interesting though. I've had several top Physique competitors tell me they liked this class because "it's healthier and you don't have to use steroids". I nod and smile politely, but inside I'm thinking, "Yeah right... I bet you're no stranger to the juice!"

But then I wonder if I've just been around bodybuilders too long and am getting old and cynical.

Still, it would be fair to say that you'd probably find fewer juiced-up guys in the Physique class than the other categories, I think?

[Realtalk]

If having no legs and a six pack year round is healthy then I'm doing it all wrong.

not sure how it's healthier, that's complete rubbish. It would be individual not categorised by what class you do.