Safe Gear

[driftpig]

I've had some test sitting around for over a year in a plastic pharmcy container (yes this is how I got it of a mate). It was fine when I did a cycle over a year ago. I'm wanting to start another cycle soon and was wondering what people thought about gear sitting around that long, especially since it's only been in a plastic container?

[Ben0]

For the price of it (guessing its just a vial worth) bin it and get more.

[driftpig]

There's about 30ml left tho, don't really wanna bin it. Plus my source is gone overseas now so will be a hassle trying to find some more.

[Ben0]

Over to you, I wouldn't take the risk myself. Be wishing you did when your sitting in a hospital with an infection from bad gear

[Realtalk]

What kinda person puts gear in a plastic pill bottle and sells it... And no offence but what Kinda person buys that lol

[Ben0]

LOL makes you wonder about the conditions it was made under..

[god-of-bodybuilding]

just use it, seems gtg. i would use it imo

[Pseudonym]

Hang on... You've got a substance that's been sitting around for a year in a non-sterile container (a container that I presume opens up to expose its contents to the air?) and you want to know if it's a good idea to inject it into yourself? Really?

*gobsmacked*

 

If you really can't bear to throw it away, use it as a lotion and hope that some of it makes it into your system transdermally. DON'T inject it.

[Phedder]

Hang on... You've got a substance that's been sitting around for a year in a non-sterile container (a container that I presume opens up to expose its contents to the air?) and you want to know if it's a good idea to inject it into yourself? Really?

*gobsmacked*

 

If you really can't bear to throw it away, use it as a lotion and hope that some of it makes it into your system transdermally. DON'T inject it.

I sense a darwin award coming. 

[AZIDE]

(re?)filter it?

[whiterhyno]

Does it lose potency after x amount of time.

I used to always use gear like this "pharmacy bottle" and 100% no problems at all.

It all comes down to trust of your source. If you know the guy direct then no worries BUT if its a friends friends cousin then never do that.

Cracks me up people think because they buy gear in a labeled bottle somehow it's pharma grade.

newsflash guys it's made the same way same conditions just the dude with a fancy label is running a business.

[Ben0]

Actually news flash to you mate. It isnt stored in a sterile container so how can you expect it to be sterile?? You are willing to inject a non sterile oil into your body? doesnt matter how clean it was when it went into the container. 

And no, when we buy underground gear we dont expect it to be pharma grade, but at least the guy has the common sence to store it in sterile conditions. Its always a risk, but dont you question your sources knowledge for not taking notice of the most basic thing with making gear? Says a lot about the pride it was made with.

I can tell you are going to use it no matter what anyone says, so go ahead

[Realtalk]

Does it lose potency after x amount of time.

I used to always use gear like this "pharmacy bottle" and 100% no problems at all.

It all comes down to trust of your source. If you know the guy direct then no worries BUT if its a friends friends cousin then never do that.

Cracks me up people think because they buy gear in a labeled bottle somehow it's pharma grade.

newsflash guys it's made the same way same conditions just the dude with a fancy label is running a business.

News flash for you mate that plastic bottles from pharmacys are used for tablets, it's not airtight and it's not sterile. Plastic is very difficult to get sterile in comparison to metal or glass.

Everytime u open the lid to draw out the oil it's potentially being exposed to bacteria and germs, why would anyone take such an unnessercery risk of an infection. The reliability of the source has nothing to do with it in this situation, the issue of sterility in this case is completely out of his/her control because of the way it's being bottled

[whiterhyno]

Attack attack hahaha 

agreed IF your source is making the stuff and sterilizing his glass vials before putting gear in yes it would be better.

but I can tell you most don't and just rely on the BA to keep it sterile. Not make it sterile but keep it.

also if they are filtering it using smallest filter than no problem.

aslo pharmacy bottles are not only used for tabs what do you think antibiotics and kids paracetamol come in?

as for infection me personally and all my friends honestly never had 1 infection and that's over a 15 year period.

so all comes down to trust of your source 

[Leeroid]

Antibiotics and paracetamol are taken orally so sterility isn't as much of an issue. When you inject a substance directly into the muscle, this is bypassing the body's usual first line of defence against infection which is your stomach. The body has numerous mehods of defence in place for anything we ingest but not so for intramuscular injections. Therefore sterility is much more important. Thats why antibiotics and kids paracetamol come in plastic bottles.

Also I'd be worried about the benzyl benzoate dissolving the plastic after a prolonged period of time. I dont really buy into the BPA scandal with water but if you've got a powerful solvent in there as well, having a significant amount of dissolved plastic in your solution is a very realistic possibility.

I doubt that it would lose much potency after a year. Testosterone and derivatives are relatively stable compared to say peptides or HGH which degrade rapidly if stored incorrectly and usually have a shelf life of only a few months even when you do. Unless you have left it lying in direct sunlight it will probably be as strong as it was a year ago. I'd inject double anyway just to make sure .

But yeah in regards to your original question I'd just use it. YOLO

[whiterhyno]

Antibiotics and paracetamol are taken orally so sterility isn't as much of an issue. When you inject a substance directly into the muscle, this is bypassing the body's usual first line of defence against infection which is your stomach. The body has numerous mehods of defence in place for anything we ingest but not so for intramuscular injections. Therefore sterility is much more important. Thats why antibiotics and kids paracetamol come in plastic bottles.

Also I'd be worried about the benzyl benzoate dissolving the plastic after a prolonged period of time. I dont really buy into the BPA scandal with water but if you've got a powerful solvent in there as well, having a significant amount of dissolved plastic in your solution is a very realistic possibility.

I doubt that it would lose much potency after a year. Testosterone and derivatives are relatively stable compared to say peptides or HGH which degrade rapidly if stored incorrectly and usually have a shelf life of only a few months even when you do. Unless you have left it lying in direct sunlight it will probably be as strong as it was a year ago. I'd inject double anyway just to make sure .

But yeah in regards to your original question I'd just use it. YOLO

Good points Leeroid, have good knowledge and common sense for a young guy.

My basic point is trust and know your source.

If you think a fancy bottle with labels guaranteed sterility than you're wrong. 

 

[pyro]

 

Antibiotics and paracetamol are taken orally so sterility isn't as much of an issue. When you inject a substance directly into the muscle, this is bypassing the body's usual first line of defence against infection which is your stomach. The body has numerous mehods of defence in place for anything we ingest but not so for intramuscular injections. Therefore sterility is much more important. Thats why antibiotics and kids paracetamol come in plastic bottles.

Also I'd be worried about the benzyl benzoate dissolving the plastic after a prolonged period of time. I dont really buy into the BPA scandal with water but if you've got a powerful solvent in there as well, having a significant amount of dissolved plastic in your solution is a very realistic possibility.

I doubt that it would lose much potency after a year. Testosterone and derivatives are relatively stable compared to say peptides or HGH which degrade rapidly if stored incorrectly and usually have a shelf life of only a few months even when you do. Unless you have left it lying in direct sunlight it will probably be as strong as it was a year ago. I'd inject double anyway just to make sure .
But yeah in regards to your original question I'd just use it. YOLO

Good points Leeroid, have good knowledge and common sense for a young guy.

My basic point is trust and know your source.

If you think a fancy bottle with labels guaranteed sterility than you're wrong. 

 

How are you failing to see that a PLASTIC OPEN bottle after a years use will be extremely dangerous? Its been said before no one is question the initial packaging from the supplier, its the fact that 1 its plastic, 2 its been exposed and 3 its been like this for a year. At least a glass vial thats been sitting for a year still isn't exposed. You don't have to be a gear expert to understand the dangers of this, is basic science, actually no, its just common sense.

 

If you would be happy pinning yourself with this, I would hate to see how you live at home.

[Realtalk]

Next ppl be buying gear in a pak n save plastic bag and drawing straight out it.

[Realtalk]

Actually nah they cost 10c too expensive lol

[Kalidane]

Actually nah they cost 10c too expensive lol

 

Shot bro!

[Pseudonym]

YOLO

Precisely why I'd rather my only life wasn't cut short prematurely due to an infection that could have been avoided. YOLO.

 

Next ppl be buying gear in a pak n save plastic bag and drawing straight out it.

I hear that some playgrounds have syringes just lying around. Seems a shame to waste them. A quick rinse under the tap, and you'd be good to go, right?

[whiterhyno]

 

Antibiotics and paracetamol are taken orally so sterility isn't as much of an issue. When you inject a substance directly into the muscle, this is bypassing the body's usual first line of defence against infection which is your stomach. The body has numerous mehods of defence in place for anything we ingest but not so for intramuscular injections. Therefore sterility is much more important. Thats why antibiotics and kids paracetamol come in plastic bottles.

Also I'd be worried about the benzyl benzoate dissolving the plastic after a prolonged period of time. I dont really buy into the BPA scandal with water but if you've got a powerful solvent in there as well, having a significant amount of dissolved plastic in your solution is a very realistic possibility.

I doubt that it would lose much potency after a year. Testosterone and derivatives are relatively stable compared to say peptides or HGH which degrade rapidly if stored incorrectly and usually have a shelf life of only a few months even when you do. Unless you have left it lying in direct sunlight it will probably be as strong as it was a year ago. I'd inject double anyway just to make sure .

But yeah in regards to your original question I'd just use it. YOLO

Good points Leeroid, have good knowledge and common sense for a young guy.

My basic point is trust and know your source.

If you think a fancy bottle with labels guaranteed sterility than you're wrong. 

 

How are you failing to see that a PLASTIC OPEN bottle after a years use will be extremely dangerous? Its been said before no one is question the initial packaging from the supplier, its the fact that 1 its plastic, 2 its been exposed and 3 its been like this for a year. At least a glass vial thats been sitting for a year still isn't exposed. You don't have to be a gear expert to understand the dangers of this, is basic science, actually no, its just common sense.

 

If you would be happy pinning yourself with this, I would hate to see how you live at home.

Yep ill bite and cop a ban.

 

youre a fucking retard who doesn't know shit which is why this board is crap now.

15 years of growing and no infections or sides yet you would hate to see how I live haha.

Clean as that's why no problems and if you wanna pay top dollar good for you I just laugh when I'm getting it for a 20th of the price.

what seriously do you think happens for 10seconds opening a plastic bottle???

wow a whole bunch of disease could jump in it or maybe it's when I keep it in my rubbish bin with the lid open 

 

[holdenman]

Next ppl be buying gear in a pak n save plastic bag and drawing straight out it.

You obviously don't get it bro....

It doesn't matter what it's stored in if your source is legit. 

[holdenman]

 

 

Antibiotics and paracetamol are taken orally so sterility isn't as much of an issue. When you inject a substance directly into the muscle, this is bypassing the body's usual first line of defence against infection which is your stomach. The body has numerous mehods of defence in place for anything we ingest but not so for intramuscular injections. Therefore sterility is much more important. Thats why antibiotics and kids paracetamol come in plastic bottles.

Also I'd be worried about the benzyl benzoate dissolving the plastic after a prolonged period of time. I dont really buy into the BPA scandal with water but if you've got a powerful solvent in there as well, having a significant amount of dissolved plastic in your solution is a very realistic possibility.

I doubt that it would lose much potency after a year. Testosterone and derivatives are relatively stable compared to say peptides or HGH which degrade rapidly if stored incorrectly and usually have a shelf life of only a few months even when you do. Unless you have left it lying in direct sunlight it will probably be as strong as it was a year ago. I'd inject double anyway just to make sure .

But yeah in regards to your original question I'd just use it. YOLO

Good points Leeroid, have good knowledge and common sense for a young guy.

My basic point is trust and know your source.

If you think a fancy bottle with labels guaranteed sterility than you're wrong. 

 

How are you failing to see that a PLASTIC OPEN bottle after a years use will be extremely dangerous? Its been said before no one is question the initial packaging from the supplier, its the fact that 1 its plastic, 2 its been exposed and 3 its been like this for a year. At least a glass vial thats been sitting for a year still isn't exposed. You don't have to be a gear expert to understand the dangers of this, is basic science, actually no, its just common sense.

 

If you would be happy pinning yourself with this, I would hate to see how you live at home.

Yep ill bite and cop a ban.

 

youre a fucking retard who doesn't know shit which is why this board is crap now.

15 years of growing and no infections or sides yet you would hate to see how I live haha.

Clean as that's why no problems and if you wanna pay top dollar good for you I just laugh when I'm getting it for a 20th of the price.

what seriously do you think happens for 10seconds opening a plastic bottle???

wow a whole bunch of disease could jump in it or maybe it's when I keep it in my rubbish bin with the lid open 

 

Can't believe that no one agrees with you bro.

It sucks when you're right but everyone else is wrong. Dumbasses.

[Dontrunwithknives]

 

 

Antibiotics and paracetamol are taken orally so sterility isn't as much of an issue. When you inject a substance directly into the muscle, this is bypassing the body's usual first line of defence against infection which is your stomach. The body has numerous mehods of defence in place for anything we ingest but not so for intramuscular injections. Therefore sterility is much more important. Thats why antibiotics and kids paracetamol come in plastic bottles.

Also I'd be worried about the benzyl benzoate dissolving the plastic after a prolonged period of time. I dont really buy into the BPA scandal with water but if you've got a powerful solvent in there as well, having a significant amount of dissolved plastic in your solution is a very realistic possibility.

I doubt that it would lose much potency after a year. Testosterone and derivatives are relatively stable compared to say peptides or HGH which degrade rapidly if stored incorrectly and usually have a shelf life of only a few months even when you do. Unless you have left it lying in direct sunlight it will probably be as strong as it was a year ago. I'd inject double anyway just to make sure .

But yeah in regards to your original question I'd just use it. YOLO

Good points Leeroid, have good knowledge and common sense for a young guy.

My basic point is trust and know your source.

If you think a fancy bottle with labels guaranteed sterility than you're wrong. 

 

How are you failing to see that a PLASTIC OPEN bottle after a years use will be extremely dangerous? Its been said before no one is question the initial packaging from the supplier, its the fact that 1 its plastic, 2 its been exposed and 3 its been like this for a year. At least a glass vial thats been sitting for a year still isn't exposed. You don't have to be a gear expert to understand the dangers of this, is basic science, actually no, its just common sense.

 

If you would be happy pinning yourself with this, I would hate to see how you live at home.

Yep ill bite and cop a ban.

 

youre a fucking retard who doesn't know shit which is why this board is crap now.

15 years of growing and no infections or sides yet you would hate to see how I live haha.

Clean as that's why no problems and if you wanna pay top dollar good for you I just laugh when I'm getting it for a 20th of the price.

what seriously do you think happens for 10seconds opening a plastic bottle???

wow a whole bunch of disease could jump in it or maybe it's when I keep it in my rubbish bin with the lid open 

 

It's not just about diseases jumping into the plastic bottle it's the fact that opening the bottle at any stage for any amount of time allows airborne particles, airborne micro-organisms (which are floating around all the time) and small bits of anything to potentially enter the bottle which in turn could be injected directly into your muscle therefore bypassing your bodies natural defence mechanisms and causing a nasty infection. 

 

To eliminate the risk of this happening people prefer to use a sealed glass vial (which has hopefully been sterilised), swab the rubber stopper to kill/remove anything on it and then insert a fresh sterile drawing needle.

 

If you don't feel that it's a big risk then that's your choice but most people will do whatever they can to ensure they follow strict injection procedures and minimise the risks.

 

Also Leeroid brought up an interesting point that the contents of the bottle could potentially interact with the plastic and leech other stuff into the solution you would not want to inject into your body.

 

I understand what you are saying about knowing your source and therefore knowing the contents are safe but due to the other factors (the possibility of contaminants being introduced into the bottle any time it is open and the unknown reaction that may occur between the contained solution and the plastic) %99 (not an actual statistic obviously) of people are not going to recommend injecting it.

 

But in the end it's up to you to decide what risks you want to take. For example some people decide the risks from sharing needles is fine but everyone is going to advise against it. The risk of something going wrong in that case is high. The risks from what we are talking about is probably relatively low but people are still going to advise against it. Mitigate the risks and stay safe.