Blast/cruise vs cycle?

[Pseudonym]

Topic split from Blasting and Cruising at age 19

[rapz]

What makes you say cycling doesn't seem worth it? It seems to work for the vast majority of AAS users...

yes and no...

the way i see it, is overtime while cycling on and off , yes you will make gains, what is crucial is retaining as much of those new gains as possible when coming off  and until you decide to cycle again later.

Over time its inevitable that dosages and the amount of compounds used are going to increase to support gains that have been made and to encourage new growth.  With all that new muscle we gain on each cycle/blast our "nattty" bodies arnt really built to hold that muscle so logically its going to get harder and harder to keep whatever gains you make as your cycles get more advanced.

even when blasting and cruising, the cookie cutter cruise dose is something like 175-250mg of test, eventually that will have to increase to support the lean mass a person gains overtime.

in my eyes, blasting and cruising can allow a user to retain much more gains and progress quicker vs cycling on and off.

inb4 dat dere bro science *new_russian*

 

[thatwaslight]

cycling is a waste of time

Im yet so any evidence at all that gear use affects fertility

blasting and cruising is the only way to make sustainable long term gains imo

when (if) you do finish do a long taper (10+ weeks) no pct is neccasary

[Pseudonym]

Im yet so any evidence at all that gear use affects fertility

What about your natural test levels though? Do they fully recover, even after years of being on cycle? (And have enough people done this to establish this as fact, rather than bro-science?)

 

[Leeroid]

Once you're over the age of 30, your test levels decline 1% a year even if you don't touch any hormones anyway. You're gonna be fucked and hard put to maintain any sort of physique naturally when you're 40 or 50 regardless of whether you used hormones or not. The only difference is that the guy that used hormones used to be jacked as hell so when he shrinks down to a normal size, it's gonna be tragic in comparison and everyone uses it as evidence that he's completely shut down when he's still bigger than most of your average male population.

[Pseudonym]

Once you're over the age of 30, your test levels decline 1% a year even if you don't touch any hormones anyway.

Shit. I'm down to 99% already then! (And it only gets worse from here.)

Leeroid, that example does make sense, and I'm not discounting it any way. But that doesn't address the question of how your test levels recover. What say you started blast/cruise at age 20, kept it up for 5 years, then decided you were sick of it? Would the natural test levels bounce back?

[Riccardo]

Any time you use aas you run the risk of permanent shutdown. You probably run a greater risk when you don't cycle but many pros have come off without needing HRT. There is still always a risk though.

[Pseudonym]

OK, you guys are making a good case... interesting! So if this is now becoming an increasingly common method of juicing (age of the OP aside), I'm curious to know what our older "veterans" think of it?

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

OK, you guys are making a good case... interesting! So if this is now becoming an increasingly common method of juicing (age of the OP aside), I'm curious to know what our older "veterans" think of it?

are you sure you want to invite those veterans in to this thread? sounds like trouble, better make a new one lol

[Pseudonym]

Hopefully not inviting trouble, just discussion... but you're right in that we're getting off the OP's original question. I've split this into its own topic now.