thoughts on this diet please guys..

[mrgeeky]

I think its an Aitkins style diet.. I was talking to a bodybuilder who swears by it...  Doesnt really make sense to me..

http://fitnessbeautyblog.com/ketogenic-diet/

And regarding saturated fats? How much is too much. The above diet seems to ok saturated fats as a regular part of the diet.. 

Just wondering what others thoughs are on it?

 

Anyone?

 

[Pseudonym]

First of all, you're not looking at trying it yourself, are you? I thought you'd found a diet that was working for you? I'd stick to that, rather than jumping on to something completely different.

Having said that, if this is purely a question for academic interest...

 

I have tried the Anabolic Diet, which is a keto variant. It feels a bit healthier to me - more emphasis on good fats, veges, and you get a carb-up window at the weekends.

http://stronglifts.com/anabolic-diet-101-the-definite-anabolic-diet-guide

I liked it, and I looked a lot harder on it (carbs seem to make me hold water), but I never really found it great for fatloss, even with quite low calories.

[mrgeeky]

Cheers for the reply Pseudonym...  From the lack of replies I thought it might have been a topic people were scared to touch for some reason lol..

No not going to try it myself..  Well not with out some serious convincing..

I found on my diet, 2400 cals - calorie deficit I started hitting a brick wall with energy so was looking for ways to stop that happening.. I think I may need to bump up calories.

I got chatting to a Body Builder about it and he said, forget bumping calories up, try the above diet.. And here is his macronutrient split - fat 65 / protein 30 / carb 5
He says he has never had more energy in all his life, which goes against everything I had ever heard. I thought you had to have complex carbs for energy.  He says no, you can become a lean mean,  fat burning machine wth energy to burn, via ketosis.

By now I'm scratching my head as to what he's on about.

So  I did some research and came across an article that states carbs are not as essential as people think..  Now that just sounds bizzare to me, but the article went on to say - well I'll copy and past rather than trying to put it in to my own words.
 

"The Inuit are an example of a culture that has lived for thousands of years on a ketogenic diet: traditional Inuit diets rely on fats and proteins for as much as 90% of total energy intake."

It went on to say:

"many arctic explorers, including John Rae, Fridtjof Nansen, and Frederick Schwatka, who adapted to native ketogenic diets with no adverse effects.[25] Schwatka specifically commented that after a 2- to 3-week period of adaptation to the ketogenic diet of the native peoples he could manage "prolonged sledge journeys," including the longest sledge journey on record, relying solely on the Inuit diet without difficulty.[26] Furthermore, in a comprehensive review of the anthropological and nutritional evidence collected on 229 hunter-gatherer societies it was found that, "Most, 73%,  of the worldwide hunter-gatherer societies derived >50% (≥56–65% of energy) of their subsistence from animal foods, whereas only 14% of these societies derived >50% (≥56–65% of energy) of their subsistence from gathered plant foods," suggesting that the ability to thrive on ketogenic diets is widespread and not limited to any particular genetic predisposition.[27] While it is believed that carbohydrate intake after exercise is the most effective way of replacing depleted glycogen stores,[28][29] studies have shown that, after a period of 2–4 weeks of adaptation, physical endurance (as opposed to physical intensity) is unaffected by ketosis, as long as the diet contains high amounts of fat.[24]"

Personally Im not sure I could survive on a diet with almost no carbs! And the thought of eating saturated fats as a regular part of the diet doesnt make sense after all we have heard about  bad health effects.  I just find this all rather confusing so was just curious about it all and what others thoughts were.. So yes, at this stage most definitely "academic interest... " only lol.

 

 

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

if what you're doing doesn't work anymore then do some careful experimentation with something a little different but don't change things up drastically. brick wall with energy huh nothing more refreshing than a deload/break (from gym) week with a bit of time eating at maint or very slightly above it if you've been cutting a while. when you get back in the next week you notice straight away the difference in energy levels.

for me i know higher carbs is the sweet spot for my energy levels. haven't applied it trying to get super lean but i'll find out result of that by the time this summer challenge is over. lots of people swear by keto and get results from it though so not like it's a myth that needs busting if he says it's working for him it probably is (unless he's trying to sell you a book or something lol).

 

i don't like the examples of old/very different cultures diets can't see how they apply to our modern lifestyles. they have lived that way not from choice but for survival and came to it from tradition. very doubtful we could just go start to eat how they did and expect to perform like they did huge difference in power of the mind to push ourselves to those higher levels of physical endurance which those studies exclude (because it's too hard to quantify i guess).

i'm sure if you wanted to perform a study you could come up with good stats to also prove that the poverty african/indian/asian diets are great for athletic endurance looking at the kind of work these people do, the distances they cover carrying the weights.

in short think what i'm trying to say about those studies is correlation does not mean causation, they exclude (in my opinion) a key aspect as to why those folk have been successful, powerful, strong, fast , athletic etc.

[mrgeeky]

if what you're doing doesn't work anymore then do some careful experimentation with something a little different but don't change things up drastically. brick wall with energy huh nothing more refreshing than a deload/break (from gym) week with a bit of time eating at maint or very slightly above it if you've been cutting a while. when you get back in the next week you notice straight away the difference in energy levels.

for me i know higher carbs is the sweet spot for my energy levels. haven't applied it trying to get super lean but i'll find out result of that by the time this summer challenge is over. lots of people swear by keto and get results from it though so not like it's a myth that needs busting if he says it's working for him it probably is (unless he's trying to sell you a book or something lol).

 

i don't like the examples of old/very different cultures diets can't see how they apply to our modern lifestyles. they have lived that way not from choice but for survival and came to it from tradition. very doubtful we could just go start to eat how they did and expect to perform like they did huge difference in power of the mind to push ourselves to those higher levels of physical endurance which those studies exclude (because it's too hard to quantify i guess).

i'm sure if you wanted to perform a study you could come up with good stats to also prove that the poverty african/indian/asian diets are great for athletic endurance looking at the kind of work these people do, the distances they cover carrying the weights.

in short think what i'm trying to say about those studies is correlation does not mean causation, they exclude (in my opinion) a key aspect as to why those folk have been successful, powerful, strong, fast , athletic etc.

Thank you again FellowshipOfTheRon, once again very good advice..

Infact I did almost exactly what you said..  After having gone serveral weeks on calorie deficit and having lost aprox 9kg and running out of steam, I more or less did just what you said, although I took it a step too far.. I threw in the diet for a week.

I thought a one week break wasnt going to kill me even though it will slow the weight loss.. Sure enough I put on some weight.. Oh well.. But just as you said, it worked.. Engergy levels back to where they were before I started.. So your advice once again is spot on.. 

Im back on to 2400 calorie deficit..  Next time I'll do what I should have done this time! I'll take your advice and  will just go back to a maintanence level instead,  for a week rather than abandoning diet for a week.  Your advice obviously does make more sense than just abandoning my diet for a week..  

I was a worried about how long it was going to take before I hit that brick wall again as I love my boxing and that was really suffering when my energy levels dropped.. So I was a little worried about where to from here and I was a little worried about asking outright for fear of getting jumped on again lol. But your post has put things in to perspective for me and has been most helpful.. Kudos well and truly deserved and given. ..

Many thanks once again for the great advice..