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Preworkouts and whats in them - 3 News

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god-of-bodybuilding Junior member

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Like anything, it's up to the consumers to know what they're putting into their bodies. 

To those uneducated... READ THE LABEL and learn what each ingredient does.

I usually stay away from stimulants (preworkout supplements) because they raise cortisol levels and I find them useless.

Just a black coffee every now and again if I feel like I'm lagging a bit.

 

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Dam media, that chick shodnt of had 2 scoops of craze for her first time anyway,

Why ban them its not like people rob or steal to support their supplement addition.

If ya dont like the product then dont fcuken buy it!

After that program I ordered some more craze hahaha

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I don't understand why people waste their money on "pre-workout" supplements its just pixie dust that is making supplement companies billions. 

Over the last few years "intra workouts" have now come out. So you need to take supplement "pre", "during" and "post" workout now not to mention the "recovery" supplements LOL. 

I guess they market it well.... 

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Jimmybro... IMO Pre (non stimulant type), Intra, and Post workout supplments are the most important.

Milos Sarcev is the expert on this. Read this, it will change your training completely if you apply it http://cleanhealth.com.au/interview-former-ifbb-pro-milos-sarcev/

Also read his Q&A thread on the RXMuscle forums for invaluable information too.

For maximum muscle gains & size:

Pre Workout Drink (30 Min before training): 30g Sugar Carbs, 5g Creatine, 5g Glutamine, 40g Whey Isolate

During Workout: 60g Sugar Carbs, 5g Creatine, 5g Glutamine, 20g Essential Amino Acids

Post Workout: 40g Sugar Carbs, 5g Creatine, 5g Glutamine, 50g Whey Isolate

 

 

 

 

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god-of-bodybuilding wrote:

Jimmybro... IMO Pre (non stimulant type), Intra, and Post workout supplments are the most important.

Milos Sarcev is the expert on this. Read this, it will change your training completely if you apply it http://cleanhealth.com.au/interview-former-ifbb-pro-milos-sarcev/

Also read his Q&A thread on the RXMuscle forums for invaluable information too.

For maximum muscle gains & size:

Pre Workout Drink (30 Min before training): 30g Sugar Carbs, 5g Creatine, 5g Glutamine, 40g Whey Isolate

During Workout: 60g Sugar Carbs, 5g Creatine, 5g Glutamine, 20g Essential Amino Acids

Post Workout: 40g Sugar Carbs, 5g Creatine, 5g Glutamine, 50g Whey Isolate

 

 

 

 

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Try it jimmybro, you won't be disappointed. Injecting 10 units of humalog pre workout combined with these drinks will bring size faster than anything else. Otherwise the sugars will trigger the body's own endogenous release of insulin...

 

Milos Sarcev says he finds training a waste of time without using the hyperemia advantage + insulin. 

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Finally watched it, interesting story hopefully it'll make people think before buying especially the younger ones who are just so dependant on supplements. Doesn't surprise me at all that she had those kind of side effects, stimulants + cardio or HIIT type workouts is just asking for trouble. It should also be noted she kind of ignored the 'first time warning' label and just started with 2 scoops lol...

Definately concerning that the products have been found to contain ingredients which are not on the label. I like to read the labels before I buy stuff and do research on how the ingredients effect the human body but if they don't disclose that info then you're kinda screwed aren't you. Up till now I had always assumed upon being imported the goods were tested by customs or something but guess not...some independant testing would be appreciated. For now I sure am glad that I just make my own effective PWOs on the cheap with ingredients I've researched to be effective.

Good on Moe for taking proactive action (even if it was only because media pressure).

That drug free representative woman mentioned to avoid products with certain buzzwords but I think probably it's not the best way to go about it since every product in the supplement industry has some of those words lol. Better to read the labels and know what it is you're putting in to your body.. if you come across something which is being all secretive about it such as the all too common 'proprietary blend' then beware, especially if you are a tested athlete or just concerned about your long term health.

I think it was a good warning to beginners but these media people always piss me off somehow, oversensationalising things so much.. why do they always pick the dumbest points to the table. "This product contains stuff that I can't even pronounce" - ok if you can't pronounce it it must be dodgy right.. and don't even get me started on that first PT! He sounds so clueless... how come there were so many scientists involved with the making of the story but none of them could not the tingling sensation was paresthesia from beta alinine. That poor PT threw his bottle of Jack3d in the bin because he thought he was getting paralysis or something lol.

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I know Moe and thought Moe did a  very good job taking proactive action and being intervied by TV3 also I do reasearch as well before I buy like for examaple  when I was preping for the Pans I thought about using fish oil and read up on it like the benefits of fish oil plus I told my orginal trainer before he left Les Mills that I am thinking of taking fish oil and my origianl trainer said that fine.

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yeah I don't think you have anything to be worried about with your fish oil gymrat, they're awesome for everyone except the hippies afraid of mercury poisoning or something

 

also just read some of those comments some of them bring out some pretty funny stuff lol.. the PT referring to ingredients list as 'scientific stuff' sounds like it has meme potential *ROFL*

Just awesome. 10/10 hard-hitting current affairs. Just on a side note, aside from the bias in this reporting, scaremongering, and the blatant reiteration of information that has either no factual basis or has been disproven (DMAA for one was found to have had no involvement in the deaths of the four soldiers in the US), the female reporter exemplifies exactly why these products are receiving such negative attention.. Why a woman who has no prior experience with any pre-workout stimulant would disregard label warnings of assessing individual tolerance by starting with one scoop or less is beyond me. The reporter uses two scoops of the product Craze, obviously selecting this pre-workout not at random (as is stated by one of the slimy reporters) but due to its reputation as one of the more potent options in the pre-workout range. The fact she would disregard this health warning and take two scoops straight off the bat is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the fact she then engages in intense cardiovascular activity after taking a central nervous system stimulant and acts surprised that she has an elevated heart rate. Also, great job on the diverse range of expert interviewees. A personal trainer who looks like he needs a personal trainer and refers to the products as containing (scientific stuff), and another trainer who used to take pre-workout but doesn't anymore. If anything all this news story will achieve is that the product will be banned and a new one with less research and possibly more severe health risks will emerge. So pat yourselves on the back guys. What a ridiculous society we live in that demonizes the use of substances such as the products mentioned, yet promotes the use of pharmaceuticals, alcohol and cigarettes. So, along with the ominous music setting the scene, an all around great piece of reporting. Wonder what 3rd Degree will tell us to be scared of next week. Stay tuned everyone. If you guys need some ideas maybe have a look at cigarettes and alcohol? I was able to just walk into a store and buy them last week. Very scary stuff. Heres a great idea, get a reporter who has no prior experience with alcohol to walk into a store, buy a bottle of spirits, consume half the bottle, then complain about the adverse effects. Also get a few lab tests done (I heard there might be some bad scientific stuff in there). Keep it up.
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Well said, FOTR. You've summed up everything I wanted to say.

Supplement brands that contain ingredients not on the label are clearly dodgy - particularly when those ingredients are "higher-risk" ones, and/or banned anyway.

Having said that, there was so much wrong with Third Degree's report. Other than the occasional sample sachet, I tend not to use pre-workout supplements, but I still found myself irritated at TV3's terrible reporting. I was tempted to email them, pointing out the obvious problems, but it sounds like they've had plenty of feedback already.

I hope they run a correction. But I'm not holding my breath.

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Good on Moe for taking proactive action (even if it was only because media pressure).

Haha yeah real proactive - he went a had a huge clearance sale on the product through his one day site the next day with no mention of the DMAA in it and how you could kiss your sporting career good bye for a few years if you were drug tested and used it.   DMAA has been banned fo OTC sale for a good 15 months or so in NZ, it's not like a small oversight for him to be selling a product that he gets manufactured in USA that just happens to be spiked with DMAA. It's his brand so you would assume he know's whats going into it.

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Good on Moe for taking proactive action (even if it was only because media pressure).

Haha yeah real proactive - he went a had a huge clearance sale on the product through his one day site the next day with no mention of the DMAA in it and how you could kiss your sporting career good bye for a few years if you were drug tested and used it.   DMAA has been banned fo OTC sale for a good 15 months or so in NZ, it's not like a small oversight for him to be selling a product that he gets manufactured in USA that just happens to be spiked with DMAA. It's his brand so you would assume he know's whats going into it.

Lmao, I actually took advantage of that, $53 not too bad, lets see what it does :D

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Good on Moe for taking proactive action (even if it was only because media pressure).

Haha yeah real proactive - he went a had a huge clearance sale on the product through his one day site the next day with no mention of the DMAA in it and how you could kiss your sporting career good bye for a few years if you were drug tested and used it.   DMAA has been banned fo OTC sale for a good 15 months or so in NZ, it's not like a small oversight for him to be selling a product that he gets manufactured in USA that just happens to be spiked with DMAA. It's his brand so you would assume he know's whats going into it.

*d'oh* if what you say is true i retract my applaud to this guy. didn't realize it was his own brand if that's the case that's super dodgy. either he's having them manufactured like that or he's just being sleezy and trying to sell off old stock with new labels to hide it not a good look either way.

 

Pseudo I'm looking forward to a correction too but too bad it will never happen. on the plus side at least it still acheives purpose of warning people about what they're putting in to themselves and that we can't trust the labels of supps we take :(

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Flex u sarcastic auckland homo...

 

ahhhh, GOB such 1980's wit, an Auckland Homo, ouch, I'm hurt....burn baby. 

To be fair I won't disregard what he says, Milos should know a fair bit as one of the longer running athletes of his genreration. However it's probably more benefit for the chemically assisted side. I'm not sure 15g of creatine mono within a 90 min timeframe is really going to be any more effective than 5 g/24 hours, however if your juiced to the gills and weigh 120kg, eating 5000cals+ per day, then that may be what you need as per the rest of his suggestions. 

didn't realize it was his own brand if that's the case that's super dodgy.

He hasn't said it's his brand however no one else seems to sell the stuff,  and  if you check out the narlabs facebook page all the page likes and page shares are for Moes NZ  sites, and one and one normally makes two. Much the same as ProFight which is his cousins range.

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