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Thinking about going on my first cycle

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Hi Guys,

This is my 1st and am starting it here..... here it goesI am thinking for going on my first cycle

I am late 20s, gymming for about 3 years but last past 1 year more seriously. I am about ~69KG with about 12-14% KG BF and my height is 165cm

My aim it to get big. And possibly compete in future.

Anyway below if what I am thinking of taking:

Test.e = 500mg per week

Adex = When required ??

Nolvas = PCT

Over 16 week’s with 12 weeks test.e w/o  Adex and 4 weeks PCT with Nolvas .

Currently I am eating about  2500cal with following :

Carbs = 176 grams

Protein = 248g and

Fat = 54.3g  (eggs, nuts, milk and avocados)

Your thought will be highly appreciated.

Also I would appreciate if anyone who is more knowledgeable on this let me know if I should be taking anything else to be more safer then above .

Thanks you

 

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Hi Guys,

This is my 1st and am starting it here..... here it goesI am thinking for going on my first cycle

I am late 20s, gymming for about 3 years but last past 1 year more seriously. I am about ~69KG with about 12-14% KG BF and my height is 165cm

My aim it to get big. And possibly compete in future.

Anyway below if what I am thinking of taking:

Test.e = 500mg per week

Adex = When required ??

Nolvas = PCT

Over 16 week’s with 12 weeks test.e w/o  Adex and 4 weeks PCT with Nolvas .

Currently I am eating about  2500cal with following :

Carbs = 176 grams

Protein = 248g and

Fat = 54.3g  (eggs, nuts, milk and avocados)

Your thought will be highly appreciated.

Also I would appreciate if anyone who is more knowledgeable on this let me know if I should be taking anything else to be more safer then above .

Thanks you

 

If your goal is to get bigger/put on mass then you seriously need to rethink this.

I think you could definitely put on some more mass naturally, just eat more and train hard.  You have the same stats as my misus, and she can put on weight, im sure you can too.

probably not what you wanted to hear, but if your gonna go with the above as far as your cucle goes it looks pretty standard.  Add adex when/if needed and run your pct accordingly.

 

throw up some examples of your training and nutrition on a daily basis so we can get a better picture of what your doing.

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This guy for your input. Below is my work plan:

Monday - Chest (Yesterday I did 95KG total with assisted),

Tuesday - Legs (quads) highst I went up to was 145kg, last week did around 140KG

Wednesday - Shoulders + Tricep

Thrusday - Legs (ham) deadlift 140kg about 3 reps 1 set

Friday - Back + Bicep

I  try to fit in abs on Mon, Wed, Fri (try to). And Cardio here the there.

Food wise here it goes :

 Meal 1  Breakfast 

carbs

protein

fat

1/2 cup raw oats measured  before cooking Add double serve of protein to oats after the oats have been cooked and add extra water to adjust texture if necessary) + 1 tsp sunflower oil

sprinkle with cinnamon if you like

27

50

5grams

Meal 2 – 1.5 hours later

 

 

 

1 x protein shake in water

0

25

 

1 banana

25

 

 

10  cashew nuts ( unsalted)

0

 

8

Meal 3 morning tea

 

 

 

1 x 100 grams chicken breast ( cooked weight)    

 

62

 

½ cup brown rice or ½ pre cooked packet of rice   (make a salad with the 2 with 1 tbsp spicy chilli sauce if you wish)

33

 

 

Meal 4 Lunch

 

 

 

1 x 200 gram cooked steak

xxx

55

 

1 cup cooked pasta     

66

xxx

 

average serve of salad

 

 

 

¼ avocado

-

-

11

Meal 5  early  afternoon  

 

 

 

apple juice  ( ½ cup only) with
1 medium banana  + average serve of protein powder

12

25

 

Meal 6 post training meal

 

 

 

185 can tuna – spicy or flavoured is ok..  Please have before leaving the gym

4

30

 

Meal 7  Dinner   - have these meals at least 5 nights per week. 

2 nights per week you may have a carb with your evening mean

 

 

 

200   grams  lean Steak/ or chicken  with small salad or veges + ¼ avocado  + 5grams of sunflower oil

 

62.4

16

Or 8-10 egg white omelet /veges or salad 50 – 75 grams  of chicken, with small salad or veges + ¼ avocado + 5grams of sunflower oil

-

40 -50

16

Meal 8 -  before bed   optional

 

 

 

 1 x single protein shake before made with apple juice ( ½ cup )

  + 18 cashew nuts

12

25

14.3

daily totals

179 grams carbs
= 720

334grams of protein

=  1136 calories

54.3 grams of fat = 488.7

calories

****total daily calories = 2200

 

 

 

 

I try to follow the above plan to about 90% for atleast 5-6 days a week.

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ok theres a few things....

 

firstly calories are too low, going by your stats and weekly activity, i have roughly worked out tha your TDEE (calories you need on a daily basis to maintain weight) is around 2500, going by your diet above, right now your in deficit (the total opposite of your goal) a general rule of thunmb is to add 300-500 cals to your TDEE and go from there, pull back if you feel your gaining too much fat and vice versa

 

secondly protein consumtion is too high for someone your size imo, im not going to go into the whole semantics of it but rather say 200g would be plenty and suffice for someone of your size. it will be more easier on your pocket and as a bonus you get to enjoy more carbs and fats! :)

which bring me to my next point, your macro nutrient split (protein, carbs and fats) needs tinkering.  your current carb intake neds to be increased.  between 250-300g would be a good start with someone with your stats.  also some more fats wouldnt hurt. try 1.5-2g per KG of BW.

so the spit might look like this

300g carbs = 1200 cals

200g protein = 800 cals

135g fat = 1200 cals

 total= 3000cals

well thats my suggestion for your diet, and you could do that naturally of if you choose to go on cycle, just adjust things as you need to.  but you need to have things like this sorted before cycling otherwise your wasting your money and time.

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Would agree with more cals - me personally would have higher protein and less fat but that's purely based on my body and how I handle dem fattys~ 

Won't tell you not to cycle cos who am I to choose what you do with your body? Good luck sunshine!

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Ya, looked at his post he seems to know what he is talking about.

Still just wana know whether the diet below will be ideal? I am trying I get big at the same time I wanted to put on lean mass (I dont know whether this will be possible). I found this xecel sheet here in gymnation and made some adjustement. This is what I came up with:

Over all

Protein = 30%, 973 cal

Carb = 52%, 1713 cal

Fat = 18%, 518 cal

Attached a xls sheet here.

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oh right, my apologies HarryB.

azide: I don't browse or contribute enough to see that, however that is defintely a good laugh. that dosage is ok for cruising, but for a first cycle, that'll make a good tui billboard ad...

my first cycle was 500mgs per week and I'll never regret it. infact, I tell people to start off with 600mgs per week. if only we could go back in time :>

I agree with what most said here, 500 is a good start but I'd recommend 600 and make sure you eat your calories every day. judging by your stats, I'd eat 3500 a day and see how you go, go up or down after you check the mirror once a week or so. otherwise looks good, gl!

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Well... I used 250mg of sustanon250 per week for my first cycle and went from 76kg to 84kg. I 84kg I was a lower bodyfat % than what I was at 76kg also. 

if you train like a useless sack of shit and have no clue then use 500mg, if you train hard and are intelligent then use 250mg per week for first cycle and if your in the middle take 375mg lol. Simple.

250mg per week of testosterone even after you minus the ester weight is still far higher than what a natural male in the upper echelon of testosterone levels produces. You know how many fold you will increase your testosterone on 500mg/week lol. I know athletes who use 100mg/week of Pfizer testosterone cypionates and have faster recovery and higher test levels than previously had. They didn't have low test before either. They use that amount to get an advantage. Bodybuilders use the highest dosage of steroids out of all sports ppl that dope. A small dose for them is a massive dose for others.

250mg plenty. The problem is your 250mg of ug test may not be 250mg/ml or you are an idiot it's one of two reasons  you will not gain. 

Stop being wankers.

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I ran 500 of test.. sitting leaner at 100kg now than I was at 83kg back in Feb but what do I know I'm just a lazy wanker who doesn't train properly. I watch movies while the magic juice manipulates my blood cells into working harder, they then text my muscles to grow. I also eat only carrots and spinach.

 

Use whatever the f*ck you want to use, if you don't like other peoples opinions or comments you probably shouldn't post on a PUBLIC forum. Ignore the people being assholes and just take the actual constructive comments on board and learn from them and the experience of others, if you start firing up and name calling you're not going to get much in the way of decent information from other people.

 

PS I don't really eat carrots.. just spinach xo love you guy I don't know <3

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The age old debate. One thing I'd like to mention though. Why is it that in most medical studies they always take bodyweight or at least LBM into consideration when determining a dosage but you never see that mentioned in bodybuilding circles. Obviously a person with 120kgs of muscle mass will have approximately double the blood volume of someone that is 60kgs which would mean that the same amount of test ie 500mgs would be more diluted in the heavier person. And isn't it the concentration of the compound in the blood that matters? That's why when you get a blood test its how many ngs per dl of blood they measure. Not the total amount of steroid in your body, not that they could anyway.

I would be more likely to recommend a dosing scheme like 4mg/kg/ of LBM a week. Using that formula someone that's 70kgs with 12% bodyfat would have 61.5kgs LBM. So they would be recommended 246mgs, rounded to 250mgs, of test a week which is in line with most conservative suggestions.

However, for someone that is 120kgs at 18% bodyfat, they would have a LBM of 100kgs which would equate to 400mgs for their first cycle. This should result in the same concentration of hormones in the bloodstream as the 70kg person doing 250mgs.

Maybe I'm just complicating things.

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still waiting for pics of you GOB, i imagine this huge striated wilder beast :)

 

anyway do want you want first cycle op, imo i look at it in different perspectives if your serious about doing well in bodybuilding vs a gym rat.  do what you want and learn from it.

 

 

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Imo its not worth shutting your natural test production down using 250mg/week. I'm sure you can gain on 250mg/week test, but I question whether the gains one will make on such a dose are worth the drama/loss of gains of going off (assuming you're cycling). As tom said and is very aware of, lots of ug shit is underdosed too, so 500mg/week is probably 500mg/week for some, 300/week for others and grapeseed oil/ week for others.

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I ran 500 of test.. sitting leaner at 100kg now than I was at 83kg back in Feb but what do I know I'm just a lazy wanker who doesn't train properly. I watch movies while the magic juice manipulates my blood cells into working harder, they then text my muscles to grow. I also eat only carrots and spinach.

 

Use whatever the f*ck you want to use, if you don't like other peoples opinions or comments you probably shouldn't post on a PUBLIC forum. Ignore the people being assholes and just take the actual constructive comments on board and learn from them and the experience of others, if you start firing up and name calling you're not going to get much in the way of decent information from other people.

 

PS I don't really eat carrots.. just spinach xo love you guy I don't know <3

My post about 250mg pw is fact not opinion dickhead

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Realtalk, I'm not sure but judging by your post, you aren't aware that you took a 4 blend ester for your first cycle. it's common knowledge that NZ home brewers always recommend sus250 for a first cycle because of it's blend.

and in what part of OP did he mention his gear was UG, Realtalk?



"Well... I used 250mg of sustanon250 per week for my first cycle and went from 76kg to 84kg. I 84kg I was a lower bodyfat % than what I was at 76kg also.

if you train like a useless sack of shit and have no clue then use 500mg, if you train hard and are intelligent then use 250mg per week for first cycle and if your in the middle take 375mg lol. Simple.

250mg per week of testosterone even after you minus the ester weight is still far higher than what a natural male in the upper echelon of testosterone levels produces. You know how many fold you will increase your testosterone on 500mg/week lol. I know athletes who use 100mg/week of Pfizer testosterone cypionates and have faster recovery and higher test levels than previously had. They didn't have low test before either. They use that amount to get an advantage. Bodybuilders use the highest dosage of steroids out of all sports ppl that dope. A small dose for them is a massive dose for others.

250mg plenty. The problem is your 250mg of ug test may not be 250mg/ml or you are an idiot it's one of two reasons you will not gain.

Stop being wankers."

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