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Pubertal gyno.. Doomed?

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Hey bros, Ill try and make this short and sharp as possible.

Basically, is there anything I can do for pubertal gyno? It set in in the last year or so, and is only getting worse. 

I joined here over a year ago but just lurk, lol. 

Im 19, 187cm/6'1ish tall and currently 81 kg. I've lifted for a total of 3 years, but I took 1year off recently for an OE. So essentially I'm 3 months in to lifting (after the 1year break) here are my are some progress pics since I've returned just to confirm that I have some idea of what I'm doing.

Start http://i.imgur.com/kUDhpbw.jpg

1month http://i.imgur.com/CpIBo0t.jpg

2month http://i.imgur.com/Twjf8yG.jpg

Hopefully that embedded, I know the gyno is not visible there, but that's at 5am when it's cold as fuuu, I definitely have tissue developed. 

Any advice guys? It's really quite depressing. 

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Thanks for the embed bro. Maybe I'm overreacting, but there is def something there.. Here, took this pic 2seconds ago, tried to embed again, will prob fail again haha 

http://i.imgur.com/Y35ZpQ8.jpg

No homo, and Ill look into embedding now. 

Anyway, perhaps I am paranoid, but assuming I'm not, is there anything I can do? 

Edit:ok I get how to embed now, next time ill get it right haha. And yeah I have had intermittent sensitivity, comes and goes. Like a tingly/ itchy feeling.. And I'm sure it's growing. 

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Ok, I've thought about the doctor but I doubt they'll do anything, probably just waste my time and money. Wait and see if it goes away, never does, surgery.. 

With regard to age of onset, yeah you'd think so, which is why it sucks even more. I've read up whatever I could find, and it seems that nolva has worked for a number of people, and that the bounce back from letro is often worse than the initial problem. 

Is that untrue? I'm definitely leaning towards taking something like that, but if you guys inform against it then I guess it would have to be doctors. 

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Ok, I've thought about the doctor but I doubt they'll do anything, probably just waste my time and money. Wait and see if it goes away, never does, surgery.. 

With regard to age of onset, yeah you'd think so, which is why it sucks even more. I've read up whatever I could find, and it seems that nolva has worked for a number of people, and that the bounce back from letro is often worse than the initial problem. 

Is that untrue? I'm definitely leaning towards taking something like that, but if you guys inform against it then I guess it would have to be doctors. 

I dont know enough to inform you mate..

My post above was just guess work off google...  some one will pop along who is more informative than I and will fill you in.. There is a lot of very knowledgable and helpful people in here mate...

 

Just been googling it, plenty of good reads on it...   Seems to be quite a few varying opinions on how to treat it too...

 

 

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Hey bro, I had a similar problem, and I was a few years older. This topic may help you:
http://www.gymnation.co.nz/forum/steroids-prescription-meds/gyno-topic

 

What you describe (tingling, etc) are classic gyno symptoms. Having said that, although there's a very slight puffiness in the last photo, it appears almost like it's out to the side rather than directly under the nipple? Which is odd.

I suspect you'll find a GP will be reluctant to prescribe anything - it's a pretty specialist field, and they simply don't know enough about it. You need to start with the GP, but they'll probably refer you to an endocrinologist.

Out of interest, mine flared up after my first bodybuilding competition. I was competing naturally, but I've always wondered whether there was something in the hormonal rebound that goes along with post-comp weight gain.

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Hey bro, I had a similar problem, and I was a few years older. This topic may help you:

http://www.gymnation.co.nz/forum/steroids-prescription-meds/gyno-topic

 

What you describe (tingling, etc) are classic gyno symptoms. Having said that, although there's a very slight puffiness in the last photo, it appears almost like it's out to the side rather than directly under the nipple? Which is odd.

I suspect you'll find a GP will be reluctant to prescribe anything - it's a pretty specialist field, and they simply don't know enough about it. You need to start with the GP, but they'll probably refer you to an endocrinologist.

Out of interest, mine flared up after my first bodybuilding competition. I was competing naturally, but I've always wondered whether there was something in the hormonal rebound that goes along with post-comp weight gain.

Thanks for the link, I had a good read. Come to think of it, mine also started once I upped my calories after a cut. Honestly going to a gp is nearly out of the question for me. I make $11/hr (training wage fawk), I imagine one visit to an endo costing me half my pay check. Oh, and the puffiness being out the side is just the way the light caught it, it kind of comes around to the centre of my chest just as far past the nipple. 

 

Had it so bad as a kid I couldn't lie on my surfboard some days! But as an adult its never recurred.

I think to an extent everyone gets a little puffy around nipples when bodyfat goes up but its not gyno!

Ok bro that's kind of reassuring, but I'm quite certain that it is gyno, I've had all the symptoms and, although its hard to get a decent photo of, it's definitely visible. 

 

Anyway, I've kind of gathered that you guys recommend against self medicating. Is that correct? 

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The endocrinologist I saw prescribed me a course of letrozole (and yes, charged me big bucks!) - but I didn't see much improvement from that. Did I cover that in the topic above? I think so.

So should you self medicate? Well, without seeing a doctor and getting blood tests, you don't really know what's going on. You also don't know what the best course of treatment is anyway - as you say, there are so many different schools of thought on this, and no-one really seems to know. (As I say, what was the most popular, credible approach at the time did nothing for me.)

It seems to me like it would be a stab in the dark, and there is the potential to upset your hormones even more - and clearly you're pretty sensitive to even slight hormone imbalances.

In your situation, I'd be inclined to leave it alone. I know it comes and goes, but right now, it's honestly not that bad. You're always much more aware of it yourself - probably no-one else has ever even noticed.

 

My advice? Do nothing. Keep an eye on it. Keep the body fat low (looks like you are already). Avoid phytoestogens like soy. And you'll probably find that in a year or two it comes right by itself.

Good luck!

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I had the worst pubertal gyno you could imagine. I've used loads of juice and it did promote the pea size directly under the nipple but I also had this large mass that wrapped around rib cage under armpit. I had surgery back in April 2013 at a whopping $13900. Surgery was under General and took 2 hours 40mins. I had 245g on the right and 285g on the left. It was the biggest my surgeon had ever cut out and I'm not overweight. He had no explaination as to why I had an abnormal amount.

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I had the worst pubertal gyno you could imagine. I've used loads of juice and it did promote the pea size directly under the nipple but I also had this large mass that wrapped around rib cage under armpit.

So how do you associate with the juice, and how much was there orginally?

Good that you got it sorted. Is there much scarring?

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With the gear i got the nipple sensation and the under nipple growth and would decrease insize when off. The large mass he removed was like 20mm thick of solid meaty mass. It was breast tissue coz it was red in colour I'm still waiting for him to send me the photos. I was constantly pinching my nipples to be comfortable in tee shirts I have no issues. Scarring was just the half circle around nipple nothing at all 

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The endocrinologist I saw prescribed me a course of letrozole (and yes, charged me big bucks!) - but I didn't see much improvement from that. Did I cover that in the topic above? I think so.

So should you self medicate? Well, without seeing a doctor and getting blood tests, you don't really know what's going on. You also don't know what the best course of treatment is anyway - as you say, there are so many different schools of thought on this, and no-one really seems to know. (As I say, what was the most popular, credible approach at the time did nothing for me.)

It seems to me like it would be a stab in the dark, and there is the potential to upset your hormones even more - and clearly you're pretty sensitive to even slight hormone imbalances.

In your situation, I'd be inclined to leave it alone. I know it comes and goes, but right now, it's honestly not that bad. You're always much more aware of it yourself - probably no-one else has ever even noticed.

 

My advice? Do nothing. Keep an eye on it. Keep the body fat low (looks like you are already). Avoid phytoestogens like soy. And you'll probably find that in a year or two it comes right by itself.

Good luck!

Do you recommend any surgeons or doctors to get this done? i have tried everything you tried (letrozole etc) but cant find anyone to remove the gland and without scarring and the nipple sinking in.

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Sorry, Logan. Just saw this topic now.

Scarring and sunken nipples will always be a risk with this surgery. Mostly they can make the incision around the areola (dark park of the nipple), so the scar is well hidden. Sunken nipples are caused by taking out too much of the gland, so they often try to leave a little bit behind so the resulting surface is flat.

Your GP may be able to suggest a surgeon, or maybe some of the other members here can help.

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