roids, should age be taken in to consideration?

[mrgeeky]

are there age barriers for cycling roids?

Is there a point where some one gets too old to either make it worth while or where it becomes unsafe?

example: will you still be cycling gear in your 50s??

Are there any barriers for age? Use less gear? Some gear that shouldnt be touched due to some risks?

Any thoughts guys?

[mrgeeky]

Here's an example of what Im talking about..Check thread out.

"There are lots of issues with clen, The primary one being it can cause heart arrhythmia and long term use can cause the heart to grow. this make the heart more pron to other ailments. this is primarly why most people only use a 2 week cycle increasing 20 mcg a day starting at 20 and maxing out around 120 day, max 2 weeks
The side affect are increased heart rate, blood pressure and shaking.

If your trying to burn fat most recommend ephedrine (Benadril) as an alternative over clen, as well ensure your diet is in check.
Clen is very Strong and unless you are in good health and understand how your body reacts to it, I would stay away."

So is Clen as an example somthing older people shouldnt touch due to heart attack risks?

[mrgeeky]

post deleted as I can see its just  confusing things.. ..

[god-of-bodybuilding]

great convo you're having with yourself here u fruitcake

 

 

[AZIDE]

^lol was also thinking this

 

why are you asking about roids then talking about clen as if its the same thing? and copy pasting shit off the net written by idiots?

also benadryl is not ephidrine. its an antihistamine which some people take while on clen to uppregulate beta receptors so they dont need to cycle the clen or have as long off.

if youre on HRT then you dont do PCT or come off or whatever..you just keep doing low dose test. increase dose/add other compounds for a while if you wana do a 'cycle' then back to low levels after. no nolva, use an AI necessary on 'cycle' and for few weeks after.

dunno how you can f*ck it up when its such a simple concept?

 

 

[mrgeeky]

god-of-bodybuilding wrote:

great convo you're having with yourself here u fruitcake

 

 

[Leeroid]

Aren't you on HRT already? So basically you're just cruising with a blast every now and then. You don't need to worry about PCT

[mrgeeky]

^lol was also thinking this

 

why are you asking about roids then talking about clen as if its the same thing? and copy pasting shit off the net written by idiots?

also benadryl is not ephidrine. its an antihistamine which some people take while on clen to uppregulate beta receptors so they dont need to cycle the clen or have as long off.

if youre on HRT then you dont do PCT or come off or whatever..you just keep doing low dose test. increase dose/add other compounds for a while if you wana do a 'cycle' then back to low levels after. no nolva, use an AI necessary on 'cycle' and for few weeks after.

dunno how you can f*ck it up when its such a simple concept?

 

 

Huh I never said clen was a roid.. Its a stimulant! Are you trying to tell me it cant be taken while doing a cycle? 

And you are missing the whole point of my original  post.. read the heading!

I want to know how safe it is to be messing with gear as you get older.. Thats the whole point to this thread.

The point of my copy and paste was there are dudes out there over 50 using steroids but Im still wondering how old is too old? I kind of guess you would get to a point where its probably hardly worth it anymore surely?  Cant see anyone at 70 cycling roids lol 

Im thinking of doing a cycle shortly.. Clen is something I would consider adding to the cycle.

Trying to do my home work and learn and make sure Im doing this right.. First thing I need to know, how many of you would consider playing with gear as you start to get some real age on??

And how safe do you think it is for older peeps..  is it really just a young mans game?

[mrgeeky]

Aren't you on HRT already? So basically you're just cruising with a blast every now and then. You don't need to worry about PCT

I sorta been having a blast for a couple of years lol Although nothing like a real cycle but still..

Been taking 7 x 40mg per day for well over a year..

Just backed down to 2x40mg caps this week.. STill feel fine on that small amount.. Thought I would crash and burn.. Cant help but wonder what my peak test levels would have been swallowing one every 4 hours for the last couple of years.. :-)

 

PCT.. Not worried about that as I obviously dont need it..

[AZIDE]

i would assume that using gear/clen becomes increasingly risky with age, especially higher doses. if i was you id stay on hrt til you die though.

its a personal choice. if you think the reward is worth the risk then do it. no idea where you would find any info which would let you know accurately what the actual risk was though

[mrgeeky]

i would assume that using gear/clen becomes increasingly risky with age, especially higher doses. if i was you id stay on hrt til you die though.

its a personal choice. if you think the reward is worth the risk then do it. no idea where you would find any info which would let you know accurately what the actual risk was though

cheers Azide..  thats pretty much as I thought..  I'm just hoping some one can come up with something a little more concrete.. havent found much with google on the topic..

Im thinking if I keep the doses more reasonable will be the way to go..  Its not as if I am trying to compete or anything.. cheers mate

[Murhf]

Age is definetly a consideration. Blood pressure changes with age, around 50 most guys b/p will be up a little. Cholestrol is a issue when using gear also. Both of these go up with me, I take b/p lowering medication to help counter it. Your tendons heal slower than 20-30 year olds, but you.ll gain alot of strength, injurys may happen.

Older guys will have a much higher likely hood of health problems in general, add gear/cycling to that and you have to be doublly careful.

[mrgeeky]

Age is definetly a consideration. Blood pressure changes with age, around 50 most guys b/p will be up a little. Cholestrol is a issue when using gear also. Both of these go up with me, I take b/p lowering medication to help counter it. Your tendons heal slower than 20-30 year olds, but you.ll gain alot of strength, injurys may happen.

Older guys will have a much higher likely hood of health problems in general, add gear/cycling to that and you have to be doublly careful.

cheers murph, which of all makes sense..

One of my big considerations is I already have tendon shoulder issues..  Im wondering if I end up lifting / pushing  too heavy if something is going to let go..  Would gut me to be back to sitting around waiting for a shoulder to heal etc..  Hmm, I keep wondering if I should be content to be cruising at a reasonable level for my age..  Its just I got the gear and its so tempting *biggrin*

 

[yeelang]

There are certain steroids I no longer take just because of the detrimental health effects.

M1T, DNP for example.

 

With so many different steroids with a decent budget the majority of enthusiasts should be able to achieve thier goals without harsh compounds or extreme cycles.

 

Insulin + GH / IGF1 L3 are other examples. While there are mixed reviews on this, switching to short acting IGF peptides via intramuscular injection as opposed to having circulating super-physical IGF-1 levels is another alternative for those not prepared for the sides of IGF-1 regimes of the latter.  

 

[mrgeeky]

cheers mate.. Last and only cycle I did was decca durabolin for months on end and I never stacked it with Test...  So that gives you a clue as to how clever I am with this stuff.. As for what you have mentioned, I havent got a clue as to any of the stuff you mention.. Never even heard of most of it..

Im thinking of just keeping it very basic and simple.

[Leeroid]

http://www.ergo-log.com/antioestrogensolder.html

 

"Older men’s bodies (say 50 and up) react more strongly to testosterone than the bodies of younger men. If you give older men testosterone injections, their cholesterol levels get worse than those in younger men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Feb;90(2):678-88.] What’s more, the concentration of the prostate cancer protein PSA increases more than in young men, and the blood of older men becomes more syrupy as a result of testosterone than the blood of young men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):914-9.] As a result, the chance of heart attacks increases. Oh yes, and the positive effects of testosterone, such as muscle build up, are less noticeable in older men than in young men."

[mrgeeky]

http://www.ergo-log.com/antioestrogensolder.html

 

"Older men’s bodies (say 50 and up) react more strongly to testosterone than the bodies of younger men. If you give older men testosterone injections, their cholesterol levels get worse than those in younger men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Feb;90(2):678-88.] What’s more, the concentration of the prostate cancer protein PSA increases more than in young men, and the blood of older men becomes more syrupy as a result of testosterone than the blood of young men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):914-9.] As a result, the chance of heart attacks increases. Oh yes, and the positive effects of testosterone, such as muscle build up, are less noticeable in older men than in young men."

*sigh* think I'll go look for a rope and a chair lol

 

Awesome read Leeroid, just what i was looking for mate.. Really appreciated..

 

 

[mrgeeky]

http://www.ergo-log.com/antioestrogensolder.html

 

"Older men’s bodies (say 50 and up) react more strongly to testosterone than the bodies of younger men. If you give older men testosterone injections, their cholesterol levels get worse than those in younger men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Feb;90(2):678-88.] What’s more, the concentration of the prostate cancer protein PSA increases more than in young men, and the blood of older men becomes more syrupy as a result of testosterone than the blood of young men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):914-9.] As a result, the chance of heart attacks increases. Oh yes, and the positive effects of testosterone, such as muscle build up, are less noticeable in older men than in young men."

 http://www.ergo-log.com/antioestrogensolder.html So are they talking TRT dose here?

"Every morning they rubbed 3 g gel, which contained 2 percent testosterone"

[mrgeeky]

Age is definetly a consideration. Blood pressure changes with age, around 50 most guys b/p will be up a little. Cholestrol is a issue when using gear also. Both of these go up with me, I take b/p lowering medication to help counter it. Your tendons heal slower than 20-30 year olds, but you.ll gain alot of strength, injurys may happen.

Older guys will have a much higher likely hood of health problems in general, add gear/cycling to that and you have to be doublly careful.

can I ask are you over 50?  And does your cholesterol go back down once you stop using?

[Murhf]

I am 47. Cholestrol did go back down [tho still up a bit from the start], same with blood pressure. About 3 weeks after last dose. Test seems to affect me differently than the young guys I know. You just got to keep on top of it. I think the reasons are different for older guys using test.

[Leeroid]

Hey mrgeeky what are your goals? I mean if you just want to look and feel better there's really no need to cycle. 100-200mgs of test a week should be just fine for you to be feeling fresh and if you want to put some size on then maybe 400mg a week for 12 weeks or so with some Aromasin to keep estrogen down will put some muscle on you after which you can go back down to your normal dose. Just some bro advice lol

[mrgeeky]

you hit the nail on the head Leeroid..

Goal is to lose some of this fat and add a little muscle..

Going to sort my diet first which is on track at the moment.. I'll pop back in once Im sure I have that sorted and will ask a little more advice on your last post before starting a cycle.. cheers for the help mate.. Kudos given.

[mrgeeky]

 

http://www.ergo-log.com/antioestrogensolder.html

 

"Older men’s bodies (say 50 and up) react more strongly to testosterone than the bodies of younger men. If you give older men testosterone injections, their cholesterol levels get worse than those in younger men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Feb;90(2):678-88.] What’s more, the concentration of the prostate cancer protein PSA increases more than in young men, and the blood of older men becomes more syrupy as a result of testosterone than the blood of young men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):914-9.] As a result, the chance of heart attacks increases. Oh yes, and the positive effects of testosterone, such as muscle build up, are less noticeable in older men than in young men."

 

 http://www.ergo-log.com/antioestrogensolder.html So are they talking TRT dose here?

"Every morning they rubbed 3 g gel, which contained 2 percent testosterone"

Thats report from ergo-log.com is interesting as that is just a TRT dose! So it says even for older guys just on TRT it raises the risk of heart attacks etc.. Seems you just cant win lol

 

[Diab0lic]

I for one will be on test of some sort in my 50s   And GH

[mrgeeky]

I for one will be on test of some sort in my 50s   And GH

For TRT? Or other?

And GH? Is that HGH?  If so, why?

Not that I know anything about HGH.. Off for a google on HGH  now. :-)