JACK3D ADVANCED

[Oskarrr]

title says all.

http://www.shotgunsupplements.co.nz/shop/SHOP+BY+BRAND/USP+Labs/USP+Labs+Jack3d+Advanced.html

whos excited?

[Flex]

Excited? Not really, it contains yohimbe so will need to be reformulated for NZ.

Proprietary Blend 3580mg - wow, ideally you'd want 3500mg of creatine and 3500mg of arginine nitrate so this thing is seriously micro dosed

Advanced Creatine Ratio (Creatine [as Monohydrate, Anhydrous])- nothing new, other than the caffeine (and yohimbe)  creatine is probably the only effective ingredient in it yet at a "micro dose"

Nitrate Blast (Arginine [as Arginine Nitrate] - old school

Pinus Pinaster (Bark) Extract) - strange name for the common antioxidant Pycnogenol or pine bark extract, standard fare for any nitric oxide/nitrate product

Beta Alanine (Carnosyn™), yawn

Yohimbe (Pausinystalia Johimbe) (Bark) Extract (Standardized for Full Spectrum Alkaloids)- prescription med in NZ

Norcoclaurine Hcl- same crap-do-nothing stimulant they use in jacked micro - aka higenamine or Norcoline

Swertia Chirayita (Whole Plant) Extract) - I know absolutely nothing about this but maybe they've put it there for stabilising blood sugar and to help prevent the big glucose dump you get with high doses of caffeine.

[Chemo]

flex for PM

[Pseudonym]

Always the cynic, Flex! Great to have you back here!

the big glucose dump you get with high doses of caffeine.

I've never heard of this. Can you elaborate?

[Destamoon]

Nice breakdown Flex

[Flex]

Always the cynic, Flex! Great to have you back here!

the big glucose dump you get with high doses of caffeine.

I've never heard of this. Can you elaborate?

We're talking about pure caffeine here, not coffee. High dose Caffeine reduces your insulin sensitivity, increasing insulin resistance. Caffeine tends to increase glucose levels in the blood, however for some reason inhibits the typical rise in insulin that occurs with blood sugar rise, and reducing muscle glucose uptake. If you have a high dose of caffeine in conjunction with carbs or after carbs your levels of blood glucose are going to be higher than if you didn't have the caffeine - basically means you have high blood sugar, low insulin and no way for the muscle to use the carbs, eg you get fatter easier, and possibly lead to type 2 diabetes if other cofactors exist. No one really knows what causes it, it could be due to the increase in epinephrine (adrenaline) levels, or the way it effects the adenosine receptors.

Coffee doesn't seem to have the same effect due to the catechins and other alkaloids which seem to help mitigate this and stabilise blood sugar.

Before someone calls me out for proof of this here's a linky dink, most studies have been done in regards to type 2 diebetes however several stuies use non diabetic subjects too

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/28/3/566.full.pdf

[nate225]

Solid posts as always Flex. Welcome back.

[Pseudonym]

Interesting.

That's quite a lot of caffeine though - 5mg/kg = 450mg for a 90kg guy. Isn't that about 10 cups of coffee? How much is in pre-workout supps? I only had a quick look, but couldn't find anything over 200mg (and most were a lot less).

Do you think that the decreased insulin sensitivity would outweigh the increased calorie expenditure from 450mg of caffeine?

[Flex]

300mg per capsule in Ripped Freak Fatburner - 2caps per day dosage,

Ripped Freak PreWO 200mg per scoop

160mg per scoop Cellucor C4 - have been told of customers using 4 scoops of this pretraining, apparently this is quite popular with secondary school boy rugby, yikes.

Hydroxcut hardcore NZ version was 160mg per cap, 4caps per day , new version 100mg per cap - 6 caps per day  -

BSN NoXplode 2.0 NZ version 225mg per scoop - recommends no more than 2 serves at once and not to exceed 3 scoops per day

BSN Hyper FX 270mg per scoop, recommends up to 2 per day

MusclePharm Assault - 400mg per full size US scoop, that's the big one that is inside the tub not the tiny NZ one that everyone throws away

Jack3d (dmaa version) 125mg per scoop

BPI 1MR 300mg per scoop

1 shot of cafe coffee standard espresso = approx 80-120mg - flatwhite & long blacks always double shot, Quad shot short blacks (my weapon of choice) 320-480 depending on barista.

redbull = 80mg