Bloat bloat and more bloat!

[Murhf]

Hi, Ok Iam 46 [old school, not old]...been lifting on and off for years, have been on my first cycle Test E, 250 mg per week, for 4 weeks now. Am a huge guy at the best of times 6ft 3in 100kg lean 115kg at the moment, put on 10kg in the last 4 weeks. BF would be up around 20% [being honest, please don.t hammer me for having a thyroid problem lol]

The main sides I am having is bloody bloat, so bad in fact I am thinking of either stopping or just cruising on an even lower dose. I have searched for info, once again its mixed and varied regarding bloat. I hate it, I have moon face, people are commenting and there is bloat on top of my bloat. Now this could be an age thing, my blood pressure went up a tad also, the other main annoying side is I never seem to be tired, hence I just can.t sleep, and absolutely no appertite!  Can anything be done to help?

I would love to hear some positive feedback or exeperience please.

[atrollappears]

Hi, Ok Iam 46 [old school, not old]...been lifting on and off for years, have been on my first cycle Test E, 250 mg per week, for 4 weeks now. Am a huge guy at the best of times 6ft 3in 100kg lean 115kg at the moment, put on 10kg in the last 4 weeks. BF would be up around 20% [being honest, please don.t hammer me for having a thyroid problem lol]

The main sides I am having is bloody bloat, so bad in fact I am thinking of either stopping or just cruising on an even lower dose. I have searched for info, once again its mixed and varied regarding bloat. I hate it, I have moon face, people are commenting and there is bloat on top of my bloat. Now this could be an age thing, my blood pressure went up a tad also, the other main annoying side is I never seem to be tired, hence I just can.t sleep, and absolutely no appertite!  Can anything be done to help?

I would love to hear some positive feedback or exeperience please.

As previously stated in another post BF% won't be doing you any favours, and may account for some of the bloat but something doesn't appear correct.?

250mg/week seems at least for this site rather low, if your pinning only the once maybe this could be inducing too higher a peak and subsequant trough agonising an estrogenic response, but again dose is low.??

As your at 4th pin the compounded half-lives should have reached maximal blood concentrations, maybe as its your first cycle your body is adjusting to relatively high hormonal fluctuations and will eventually stabalise.... 

How confident are you that you have actually got Test-E..? 

Brand names discussions are not encouraged on this forum, but I wonder if it would be acceptable to ask what you are using in this case..?

 

[Murhf]

Yes I.ve thought of the brand, is a well known one from Auck. I have seen the name a number of times around forums. And from very a experienced person. Iam wondering if its a problem regarding my age ect, health is good, however test levels have been dropping with age, the increase in sex drive, stamina and libido have been huge, so to me that would say I was low [which is common for age] and could be a bit of a shock to the system, also says that something is working. Strenght has gone up along with energy, weel being ect.  I feel I have always been sensitive to drugs of any kind, so maybe this is just a normal thing which I am noticeing alot, tho I would say most experienced lifters are in touch with there bodies. I would estimate of the 10 kg gain so far that 8kg would be water, as this seemed to come on between week 2 and 3 quite fast.

Thanks for the advice guys.

[Dinahlady]

What do you mean you have a thyroid problem... Were you just joking or is it something diagnosed or serious?

[Murhf]

Just joking. That would not be a good mix, thyroids and steriods!

Has any body found anything useful in getting rid of bloat, a diuretic of some kind maybe!

[Leeroid]

Are u currently running an AI such as Arimidex (anastrozole) or Aromasin (exemestane) and if not, do you have any on hand?

[donz]

I dropped about 6kg on my first week of cutting if that helps murhf - I'm 36, change was due to diet strictness, cardio and changed arimidex brand ( still liquid ) and went to .5 a day. So lots of that 6 kegs would be water - no idea how much exactly as I'm not a measuring jug but yeah. Arimidex lessens bloating for sure. Also noticed during the last 14-15 weeks when I was tweaking round the diet with difference foods etc that sodium almost seems amplified while on test meaning I personally held even more water than normal. That might just be in my head or something personal for me but maybe take a look at what you're eating more closely + add some adex? Meh your call! Less water seems to also mean less recovery hah but that's also in part to the calories I'd say 

[Dinahlady]

Well could try taking AI but if it doesn't help much or if you're worried about the severity of the bloat from the small amount of test then go to Docs and get bloods with sodium/electrolytes etc then you'll know what's causing it and if it's anything to worry about. 

[Murhf]

Thanks everyone for the advice.

I have Nova, just waiting on some Arimadex. May hold off on the AI, see how I go.

I been looking into this I think the problem is the bloat is amplified in the areas of fat, theres not alot but with water it feels alot. Secondly and I.ve had trouble finding any info on this, I have varicose viens down one leg, had them most of my life. Problem with that is they dn.t tend to remove water around the veins that much. So Iam noticing the bloat there abit also.

Iam not sure what bad bloat is, for me its am uncomfotable feeling plus I.ve never had a moon face before. Guess the vanitys kicking in abit. Also the other main concern is with water retention it puts some added strain on the heart and round the lungs. At 46 this can.t be good.

However I feel astoundingly great, I tend to go towards the powerlifting side of things. My strenght gains are off the roof, recovery is fantastic, diet is, I feel about as good as I can get it, tho one big problem has been no appertite. So my answer was to keep around 250-300grams of protien a day but cut out the filling stuff like heaps of veges. Still have broc ect, just can.t pile alot down at the moment. There is no added sodium in my diet, its interesting to hear it can feel amplyfied also. Iam also drinking alot of green tea and taking apple cider vinergar.

I was going to stay on this cycle for another 6-8 weeks [total 10-12], so long as the bloat gets no worse I think I.ll handle it ok.

[Murhf]

Quick update, bloat seems to have improved a lot. Even lost 2kg, which Iam sure was water. So back on track, have been doing all the above, but thinking its the split dose thats allowed my body to balance the estrogen out abit, hopping anyway.

[Ben0]

Good too hear murhf. The bloat is the worst part of my cycle to, hate the moon face. On a side note, in peoples experiance how long does it take to drop the water after finishing test e? also prop?

[donz]

Moon'd lol~ can't tell you about "after" as I'm never stopping, everrrrr! Nah but I dropped water super quick when I added diet/.5 adex a day, like seriously 6-7 days ( might have been less on the face ) so I imagine not long if you're using an AI at the end?