2nd cycle FULL PHARMA GRADE :)

[gloryboy]

have started second cycle approx 13 months after end of first.

Stats years training 6

Age 24..

BF 11-12%

height 5'8"

Weight 82kgs

Week 1

Frontload 750mg Mon. Organon Sustanon

Thurs 250mg Unigen Sciences Test E

 

Weeks 2-5

Unigen Sciences Test E 250mg on Monday and thurs.

Weeks 5-10 Pfizer depot cyp 400mg pw

Astra Zeneca Nolva 10mg per day while on.

250ius HCG per week optional.

PCT

Pharma Clomid 50/50/25/25

Nolva 20/20/20/20

[atrollappears]

have started second cycle approx 13 months after end of first.

Stats years training 6

Age 24..

BF 11-12%

height 5'8"

Weight 82kgs

Week 1

Frontload 750mg Mon. Organon Sustanon

Thurs 250mg Unigen Sciences Test E

 

Weeks 2-5

Unigen Sciences Test E 250mg on Monday and thurs.

Weeks 5-10 Pfizer depot cyp 400mg pw

Astra Zeneca Nolva 10mg per day while on.

250ius HCG per week optional.

PCT

Pharma Clomid 50/50/25/25

Nolva 20/20/20/20

Have never been a fan of frontloading, always considered it might spike an early and unnecessary estrogenic response..

1000mg in your first week, reduced to 500mg, then further reduced to 400mg/week..? Unsure as to why you would do this..?

Whats with the nolva on cycle, why not arimidex if you need it..?

HCG has been discussed many times on here, whats the point..?

 

You'd probably be better on 500mg Cyp once a week, arimidex on hand..

PCT nolva/clomid (or dump it and taper off end of cycle)

 

Could also drop the BF% down to single figures too...

 

 

 

 

 

[gloryboy]

Trying my best to keep diet well to come down to single percent figures the way my proportions are different to your normal person...my arms shoulders chest and legs are all dry and hard hold sme water and fat lower back and lower stomach but still have top 4 abs showing year round...with the frontload i had sust so i wanted to get on with a bang so i tried a front load instead of a frontload of dbol that WILL cause estro sides...ive had nothing yet feeling great i never have gyno prone symptoms am only prone to bloat and acne...nolva is enough to take this away and is not as harsh as adex which has sides of its own worsens cholesterol etc i do hve it on hand anyway and the mg dosages thruout is because thats the way it works out with the pharma grade stock i have so really dsnt matter compared to underdosed and overdosed ug crap floating around atleast i know what im getting with ug u cant bank on the dosages being correct at anytime no matter how reliable the source

[atrollappears]

Arimidex is responsible for stopping the aromatisation of testosterone into estrogen, estrogen isn't particulary bad, you need it, just not a lot of it, therefore if needed low dose Adex on cycle is prudent.

Nolvadex is an estrogen receptor antagonist and can also interfere with IGF-1, not something you want to doing on cycle..

[gloryboy]

Arimidex is responsible for stopping the aromatisation of testosterone into estrogen, estrogen isn't particulary bad, you need it, just not a lot of it, therefore if needed low dose Adex on cycle is prudent.

Nolvadex is an estrogen receptor antagonist and can also interfere with IGF-1, not something you want to doing on cycle..

 

[gloryboy]

the igf 1 reduction is fair call there is 50% online that support it and the other 50 that says its bullshit but adex to reduce bloat will still meet my main obejective so ill switch to adex starting now ive only take 10mg of nolva so far so wont hve done shit to igf 1 yet...and yes thanku i realise adex is an aromitase inhibitor and nolva is a serm im not an endocrinoligist but im not stupid...how much adex do u reckon i should take while on? Thanks again for the advice bro also the adex is pharma grade so not alot id say? Like 0.5mg eod ?   atrollappears wrote:

Arimidex is responsible for stopping the aromatisation of testosterone into estrogen, estrogen isn't particulary bad, you need it, just not a lot of it, therefore if needed low dose Adex on cycle is prudent.

Nolvadex is an estrogen receptor antagonist and can also interfere with IGF-1, not something you want to doing on cycle..

[donz]

Not sure exactly what people are referring to all the time with pharmagrade but if you're talking about 1mg tablets or 1mg per ml liquid then most people I see seem to do 1mg(ml) EOD or even mon/wed/fri. Personally I swapped to .5 ED, guess it's personal preference at the end of the day like everything else~ 

[9762291220]

It means its a pharmaceutical grade product manufactured with the intent of human use as opposed to something sourced from an underground 'lab' or obtained via other means such as from a 'research chemical' website or vetinary products.

The significance of that is that such a product is more likely to be dosed correctly as indicated on labelling/packaging and contain the correct chemicals.

[atrollappears]

.how much adex do u reckon i should take while on? also the adex is pharma grade so not alot id say? Like 0.5mg eod ?  

 

 

[donz]

It means its a pharmaceutical grade product manufactured with the intent of human use as opposed to something sourced from an underground 'lab' or obtained via other means such as from a 'research chemical' website or vetinary products.

The significance of that is that such a product is more likely to be dosed correctly as indicated on labelling/packaging and contain the correct chemicals.

Sweet cheers man~ 

[Leeroid]

Was doing 12.5mg Aromasin ED but dropped it to 12.5mgs Monday and Thursday since a few weeks back. Joints feeling a lot better and making good gains too. 1mg Arimidex would probably be similar to 25mgs Aromasin?

[gloryboy]

thanks for the replies bros,

 

In your opinion best way other than (adex) to reduce moon face would be lower carbs and lower sodium would this be correct in saying any other thoughts you guys have on combating the bloat?

[Murhf]

Interesting to hear you take Nolva for bloat. I get bloat quite bad from just test, its uncomfortable, people notice it, especially round my face and Iam sure its not good for my heart at my age [46]. So unless there are better ways to rid the bloat I think I may try it in my next cycle.

As for HCG, well as you can see there are many varied opions, for me tho I will definetly be using it next time, the benefits from the fat burn are great. At 6ft 3in 115kg I can use assitance on the fat. Lean weight for me is around 103kg.