Diet on cycle?

[Optimass]

What's the science behind 6000cal diet and 600g protein intake? Where do I find this ..... ok so if a natural 22 year old athlete has a BMR or 2800 cals and starts a cycle - how do you calculate their increased protein and caloric requiements to the new BMR?

i.e where online can I find the "Jacked BMR Calulator"?

so much facepalm in this thread :shrug:

[Optimass]

Higher protein ratios are generally considered more favorable for the AAS user because of Protein turn over rates.

So / 6000cal diet with 600g Protein = 40% cals from prot. (doesnt seem like a high ratio).

In actual fact most of the pros are eating well increased carb intake based on workout duration and routine > remembering they generally don't have fulltime jobs - or have jobs that give them flexibility to train for the level they are at.

How would you break up the other macros?

Agree - high protein do to more efficient amino breakdown and process but AAS also increases utilization efficiency of carbs (glucose) and fats (Triglycerides).

But they are more desirable closer to competition because the breakdown of aminos into triglyceride is a secondary process which will only occur if your glucose levels drop away completely. So addition protein under those circumstances requires more energy to process = more cals burnt. (theory)

[Cam0505]

Haha i guess it would come under extras in the options of calorie calculator? haha

Look at Michael Phelps who consumes vast quantities of food.

I'm 6ft 3ish (190cm) 85kg and my maintenance is 3200 calories just from lifting 5-6 times a week. Imagine if i started taking drugs and got into a sport?

I'd hate to think how much i'd have to eat haha!

Also protein does require more energy to breakdown and convert to glucose + excrete the extra nitrogen, its not a theory. The unknown is exactly how much effect it has.

[Optimass]

Haha i guess it would come under extras in the options of calorie calculator? haha

Look at Michael Phelps who consumes vast quantities of food.

I'm 6ft 3ish (190cm) 85kg and my maintenance is 3200 calories just from lifting 5-6 times a week. Imagine if i started taking drugs and got into a sport?

I'd hate to think how much i'd have to eat haha!

Also protein does require more energy to breakdown and convert to glucose + excrete the extra nitrogen, its not a theory. The unknown is exactly how much effect it has.

you would most certainly grow on 3200 cals mate - guaranteed.

[Cam0505]

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[Leeroid]

I'm currently eating 3400calories gaining less then a pound a week.

Even though i'm 85kg i'm 10-11% bf, broad shoulders and tall. +i do a quite a lot of bike riding on the weekends (most of the time causing me to lose weight haha, wish i wasn't a poor student )

Going on steroids would probably cause you to gain weight on the same amount of calories to an extent. Partly due to the water retention and partly due to the nutrient partitioning effects of steroids (better utilization of macronutrients). Of course you would have to increase calories accordingly as your muscle mass increases. #2cents

[Cam0505]

Ha, interesting. Thanks for the info.

Don't think i will be going on steroids any time soon.

[Optimass]

600 grams of protein is not only a waste of time and money but also bad for your health i doubt even Phil Heath would take that much maybe if your carbs are really low but you would need to be mr olympia standard before you would even need to think about taking that much

^^ this

Amazes me how many average to poor genetically composed guys assume what the pros are doing and then adopt these types of thinking into their plans. Even if Phil Heath was taking 600g of protein - I guarantee he didn't back when he was on his 1st or 5th cycle :roll:

[yeelang]

What's the science behind 6000cal diet and 600g protein intake? Where do I find this ..... ok so if a natural 22 year old athlete has a BMR or 2800 cals and starts a cycle - how do you calculate their increased protein and caloric requiements to the new BMR?

i.e where online can I find the "Jacked BMR Calulator"?

so much facepalm in this thread :shrug:

Just to reiterate I posted 3g protein/lb for saturation of amino acids (aka the point where amino acids can no longer be utilized for repair. The point was comparing natural and 1500mg/w AAS cycle and how much additional protein can be utilized.

If you think that is incorrect then so be it, it's kinda easy to refute something but not post up an alternative given the lack of medical research in this area (Studies on 1500mg/w anabolic cycles, are all the rage in the medical community). There is however research comparing PTOR in HRT males which has lead to assumptions being made on the above.