Would you dob your mates in?

[nate225]

I'm all for Drug Free Sport giving athletes the opportunity to compete in tested sporting environments. My experiences with them have been very positive through both the testing and education they provided to us when I was with NZPF.

They have some great educational resources for athletes as well as a free phone number for questions (0800 DRUGFREE, 0800 378 437). They also maintain a (relatively) robust testing programme for NZ Sporting Organisations subscribing to the WADA code.

However their latest campaign is probably a little more controversial and somewhat ethically challenging. It encourages athletes to call an anonymous hotline (attached to crimestoppers line) to "Defeat the Cheats! Speak up - Keep NZ Sport Clean" to quote DFS.

What are your thoughts on this? Would you call and inform DFS about a fellow competitor or friend using performance enhancing drugs?

Should be an interesting poll! :nod:

[rapz]

i personally wouldn't, if it were a tested sport i would frown upon it but never dob them in....just give them shit every time i see them :pfft:

[jimmybro1]

I gotta ask Nate whats with all your recent posts about DFS about?

I don't think a true mate would nark, that said taking drugs in tested sport not ethical at all.

[tomsammce]

Doesn't mean shit.

If u use and dnt compete u got nothing to worry about.

If u use and u compete and are passing the drug tests already doesn't mean shit either.

Crimestoppers is just a lead, it's an anonymous tip. Hardly a reliable and accurate way to point a finger.

For steroid use ppl shouldn't be worried.

[nate225]

I gotta ask Nate whats with all your recent posts about DFS about?

They sponsor me, I get $100 for every AAS user I dob in.... :pfft: :grin:

LOLz

I often go on their website to look at news about PED's (a habit from when I was a tested athlete, 2001-2007 mainly, but also early days of PLing when testing seemed less organised?)

Really quite interesting, as is the Sports Tribunal site, which lists all Doping Cases in NZ as well as other Tribunal decisions involving sporting organisations.

Worth checking out their site - take the quiz! :grin:

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

i personally wouldn't, if it were a tested sport i would frown upon it but never dob them in....just give them shit every time i see them :pfft:

same opinion here

[jimmybro1]

I gotta ask Nate whats with all your recent posts about DFS about?

They sponsor me, I get $100 for every AAS user I dob in.... :pfft: :grin:

LOLz

Worth checking out their site - take the quiz! :grin:

Haha

I don't think it's the right approach ae people are always accusing others with no real knowledge could put DFS in bogus investigations not that it bothers me if they are wasting there time.

Would pays them? The government ?

[nate225]

Doesn't mean shit.

If u use and dnt compete u got nothing to worry about.

If u use and u compete and are passing the drug tests already doesn't mean shit either.

Crimestoppers is just a lead, it's an anonymous tip. Hardly a reliable and accurate way to point a finger.

For steroid use ppl shouldn't be worried.

An interesting thing you may not be aware of is that a lot more funding goes towards detection / investigating information collected by authorities nowdays compared to the traditional focus on drug testing.

The Australian equivalent of DFS (ASADA) have done this very strongly and get involved with importation & distribution type issues, which appears to be more Medsafe's domain in NZ.

I guess another question to ask is do you thing DFS is a valuable use of your tax payer dollar?

[jimmybro1]

Just played something called true challenge wtf! Can I have my 5 minutes back!

[mattypyuu]

I don't really care/worry much about who's taking PEDs. Thou for nz-level, you don't even need it. If you were World-level, then you could consider looking for an experienced doctor in this field, but really... who takes PEDs to be #1 in nz.

[Leeroid]

I wouldn't, but I'm sure a lot of people would

[BarBrother]

I wouldnt dob in a mate because i wouldnt be mate with someone that cheated. I dont really care what happens outside with steds as long as the arnt used in tested sports.

If i knew a guy i was competing against was using I would dob in for sure

[nate225]

I wouldnt dob in a mate because i wouldnt be mate with someone that cheated. I dont really care what happens outside with steds as long as the arnt used in tested sports.

If i knew a guy i was competing against was using I would dob in for sure

I'm not judging you either way but more curious as to what your motivations are? Are they to:

* ensure everyone has a level playing field and the rules are the rules?

* to win at all costs. So you'd just be doing what you gotta do to gain a competitive advantage?

[tomsammce]

A full on investigation starting from scratch (anonymous hotline tip) would be pretty costly I would think, a total waste of tax payers $ to catch some judo player or power lifter who know one even knows.

I doubt any high profile athletes who use steroids even import their own, they would buy it from a dealer. Actually I don't doubt I know lol.

So to investigate personal use is gonna take alot if resources and I dunno if nz has the $ to do it. Australian athletes are much higher paid than nz athletes so there is good reason to do it.

Waste of fucken money IMO

[BeastBuilder]

For one thing the topic and questions aren't the same, one if about mates and the other is about just someone in general. I'm sure that some people would have different opinions depending who it was.

Personally wouldn't, if it was a mate I would just take the piss out of them till they got sick of it and manned up and did untested comps.

If it was someone competing against me, I would just take them around the corner for a chat and then teach them a lesson so they couldn't lift anyway :pfft:

Srs though if it was someone I didn't know or wasn't a close friend of then wouldn't bother because I wouldn't actually know for sure so I could end up looking like the muppet.

[BarBrother]

I wouldnt dob in a mate because i wouldnt be mate with someone that cheated. I dont really care what happens outside with steds as long as the arnt used in tested sports.

If i knew a guy i was competing against was using I would dob in for sure

I'm not judging you either way but more curious as to what your motivations are? Are they to:

* ensure everyone has a level playing field and the rules are the rules?

* to win at all costs. So you'd just be doing what you gotta do to gain a competitive advantage?

Mainly the first. I will win at all costs as long as they are within the rules

[tomsammce]

Iv said it once and ill say it again. There is no proof of cheating until a test is positive for a banned substance.

Trying to prove drug cheats without a positive test is quite hard to do.

[nate225]

Iv said it once and ill say it again. There is no proof of cheating until a test is positive for a banned substance.

Trying to prove drug cheats without a positive test is quite hard to do.

In your eyes yes, but it seems the burden of proof required for a determination both in Australia is different.

Examples of no positive test (either refusal or possesion of substance, trying to acquire a substance, or even failing to notify location) can still mean a ban, surely Lance Armstrong case illustrates this?

http://www.sportstribunal.org.nz/decisi ... cision.pdf

http://www.asada.gov.au/publications/ru ... S_Troy.pdf

http://www.asada.gov.au/publications/ru ... French.pdf

This summarises the ASADA view on doping violations with not all being to do with positive tests:

http://www.asada.gov.au/rules_and_viola ... tions.html

[cruxis]

If a person is playing rugby div 6 on weekends and is in the middle of a cycle. Is that considered cheating ? Weekend rugby for fun.

[tomsammce]

If a person is playing rugby div 6 on weekends and is in the middle of a cycle. Is that considered cheating ? Weekend rugby for fun.

Nah bro just fwd passes and head highs.

Lol

[nate225]

If a person is playing rugby div 6 on weekends and is in the middle of a cycle. Is that considered cheating ? Weekend rugby for fun.

Easy answer is to see what the rules governing that div say.

If it says no drugs its cheating, simple.

If there's no reference it's not (and then its just a moral debate!).

[Diab0lic]

[Best Bench]

If I was 100% sure then yes report them.

Where is the cut off? When you would report something you knew about? Your friend shoplifts? Commits benefit fraud? Sexual assault? Murder?

If you look at the Kahui twins or Emily Longley murder then some people are prepared to cover up/stay quite on some very serious crimes.

No one is perfect and we all make mistakes but we can't just turn a blind eye to everything.

For any person that is mentally sound there are 3 steps in a dishonest act (ie doping in a tested sport). For the doping example:

Incentive: you gain an advantage over competitors

Opportunity: Have access to PEDs

Justification: Everyone else is doing and I am just getting an even playing field.

[Danomyte]

I wouldn't dob in a mate.

In NZ (for NZPF and weightlifting), if you're #1 be prepared to get tested. If you're taking PEDs in a tested fed and your not #1 in NZ - go slap yourself -you're doing it wrong :pfft:

Srs though, I'm of the belief that karma will catch up with ppl using PEDs in tested sports and they'll get caught eventually.

Other than that, I don't really take notice if people are using or not - for what ever reason - it's their business and I'm just worrying about what I do.

[Optimass]

Compete in a tested sport is poor form if your on PEDs IMO - have been on the short end of the stick quite a few times in my competitive years but never complained despite INBA being advertised as natural fed.

No testing plan is full proof when its random so I guess these new measures just add additional opportunities to catch out athletes - I'm interested to know what proof is required in order to initiate an investigation?

And, if someone accuses you of PED use and it's found to be untrue - then should you not be privileged with information about who that person is? It's quite a serious accusation - I can imagine BarBrother would be quite offended given his drug free record if someone implicated him. But I wouldn't think it fair on him if he was and it was a rival athlete or just some f*cktard wanting to cause shit.