IFBB Auckland Show

[Android]

Interesting about george farah, ive always advocated no more than 1.6-1.7g per kg of bw. Based on studies showing no difference in protei synthesis between the constant infusion of amino acids and a few bolus doses of aminos. Then you have the substrate requirement for amino acids for growth and repair. Of course, this drew ridicule from the less informed on this forum, so its good to see someone in the pro ranks with some common sense and not just trying to sell protein powder to those people who take their word as gospel. Would be interested to hear what else he had to say?

You should listen to the video of George talking, again and again and again...before saying him and you are on the same level dude

No more than 2gm a pound for Kai. And for everything else (carbs,etc.)

That's roughly about 4.4gms per kg, but my basic maths might not match yours...please check

so...you're saying you advocate about 30% of what your pal George Farah recommends wow :shock: are you sure you two are on the same level?

I think you mistake pre-competition amounts to be fair, because studies never have athletes preparing for a comp they are testing solely for hypertrophy and athletes are not trying to lose fat, doing cardio and taking clenbuterol etc. The extra protein we (George, Kai and I) consume pre-contest is also used to "preserve" muscle during low calorie dieting and the extra cardio...simple really, basic common sense and not related to the studies you google.

For bulking off-season of course more carbs are better, but pre-contest protein has to go up (as George agrees with me in his workshop, my pal George says....12-16wks of high protein is ok short term) BOOM! 8)

Btw: lbs vs kg is pretty important mate, it's like 2.2 times important. As is attention to detail

[tomsammce]

Hey android, where did he say he was on the same level as this mr George fulla? He just said he agreed with him.

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Chill big bird.

[Optimass]

Interesting about george farah, ive always advocated no more than 1.6-1.7g per kg of bw. Based on studies showing no difference in protei synthesis between the constant infusion of amino acids and a few bolus doses of aminos. Then you have the substrate requirement for amino acids for growth and repair. Of course, this drew ridicule from the less informed on this forum, so its good to see someone in the pro ranks with some common sense and not just trying to sell protein powder to those people who take their word as gospel. Would be interested to hear what else he had to say?

I have had a similar view mate - I dont think there is a silver bullet as there are trade offs you make in eating more and than if you eat less. I had a very long discussion with a pro last year who told me his nutritionist had added significant lean protein (approx 30% more) 4 weeks out from the show on the pretense it required more energy to process and would minimise any loss of condition and I was told it worked very well.

So I have been doing it now for about 8 weeks and been maintaining steady growth with little bfat increase in proportion. --- Im about to start a cut so we will see what happens then but its certainly enough of a change in dietary composition to make a difference.

Is what I love about bbing - lots of experimenting and always learning something "old" but new lol.

[Android]

Hey android, where did he say he was on the same level as this mr George fulla? He just said he agreed with him.

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Chill big bird.

am chill'n...? is that how you say it...chilled man, chill man? :shock:

just that if someone disagrees with Riccardo and the other people's research that he reads, that they're somehow

less informed

:roll: ok princess

[nate225]

I'll avoid the bickering suffice to say its an interesting debate re: protein, but while you lads do the research n readings I'll keep doing what bodybuilders have done for decades (rightly or wrongly) and grow accordingly. I like theoretical stuff but really it gets a bit like Lane Norton vs Dorian Yates, sure Layne can quote more studies to back up his theories (and he is good) but I know who I'd pay to coach me.

Genetic Freak - titties comment a bit weak? Hardly a case of headlights there.

Agree re: quality / depth of athletes, really Kenny was the only standout with Kristian not being anywhere near his peak condition and big Sam not doing himself any favours being so smooth (the man has mass to burn if he can get the conditioning). The young Korean (?) guy was also pretty impressive.

Kenny has a great set of arms on him, and his sticks are good too (though I was surprised at his calves after seeing his brother in the gym who has watermelons for calves). Hopefully he doesn't push to go Pro too early, still has a fair bit of work as would be shown if you put him next to top NABBA-WFF amatuers Steve Ortan, Kagan Ortan, Mark Anderson or Darren Farrow.

That said he appears the best of NZFBB at present (barring Nate O'Hearn returning, Khalid appearing in shape or a dark horse like Android!), and would certainly smash any of the NABBA-NAC guys that competed last year.

Makes for an interesting year! :nod:

[Riccardo]

I never said we were on the same level in fact I dont really agree with a lot of the things george farah says particularly regarding post workout nutrition. However he said kai was on 250g of protein right? He's hardly wasting away is he? Probably the best shape of his life. Yeah I agree a little more protein when dieting helps for sure but for putting on muscle mass 300+g of protein is not necessary and the fact kai is eating 250g in the off season and looking mean adds some weight to that argument.

Android you are the king of the straw man argument, Im talking purely in the context of kai eating 250g per day. No need to twist the fact that I agree with him to suit yourself. Also no body googles research these days get with the program mate its all about databases.

As for research its all there for people to read. Whether it is good research or not is a different matter, its about being critical. I'm all for different opinions its what adds to our collective knowledge. But regurgitating stuff from somewhere without being critical and then getting butthurt because someone points out claas in the evidence is not a way to have an opinion.

[jimmybro1]

So Kai is only eating 250g of protein a day??? He use to eat kilograms of meat a day, interesting.

I'm starting to think my protein consumption is well and truly over killed! He must be eating a lot of carbohydrates and fats to get his calories! I would imagine he would be eating more the 6,000 calories

[nate225]

Riccardo, you remind me of PMan, where is he these days? :shock:

That's a compliment btw, he was the first guy I ever paid for a personal training session....well a sitdown over KFC discussing strength training programming anyway.

[tomsammce]

Pman was a good sort...

Where is he? Probably stuck under a 140kg squat. Lol

[Leeroid]

The young Korean (?) guy was also pretty impressive.

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

[DIANABOL]

The young Korean (?) guy was also pretty impressive.

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

I know the guy and I can assure you he's never used synthol.

Leading into his comp he was training legs twice a week, has a decent squat for his weight too (85kg - 200kg squat for 6 reps). He does have an unusual sweep though.

[Leeroid]

The young Korean (?) guy was also pretty impressive.

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

I know the guy and I can assure you he's never used synthol.

Leading into his comp he was training legs twice a week, has a decent squat for his weight too (85kg - 200kg squat for 6 reps). He does have an unusual sweep though.

That's impressive but just looks wrong lol

[DIANABOL]

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

I know the guy and I can assure you he's never used synthol.

Leading into his comp he was training legs twice a week, has a decent squat for his weight too (85kg - 200kg squat for 6 reps). He does have an unusual sweep though.

That's impressive but just looks wrong lol

Not sure if I would say it looks wrong but certainly looks different than most. If he could separate them they would look crazy as. May even give SG a run for his money in the wheels department in a few years time.

[jimmybro1]

I know the guy and I can assure you he's never used synthol.

Leading into his comp he was training legs twice a week, has a decent squat for his weight too (85kg - 200kg squat for 6 reps). He does have an unusual sweep though.

That's impressive but just looks wrong lol

Not sure if I would say it looks wrong but certainly looks different than most. If he could separate them they would look crazy as. May even give SG a run for his money in the wheels department in a few years time.

Does he use insulin got a really blown up look

[DIANABOL]

That's impressive but just looks wrong lol

Not sure if I would say it looks wrong but certainly looks different than most. If he could separate them they would look crazy as. May even give SG a run for his money in the wheels department in a few years time.

Does he use insulin got a really blown up look

LOL...do you even know what you are talking about mate?

[jimmybro1]

Not sure if I would say it looks wrong but certainly looks different than most. If he could separate them they would look crazy as. May even give SG a run for his money in the wheels department in a few years time.

Does he use insulin got a really blown up look

LOL...do you even know what you are talking about mate?

Nope, just looks really full.

[tomsammce]

Does he use insulin got a really blown up look

LOL...do you even know what you are talking about mate?

Nope, just looks really full.

Lol

[I Declare War]

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[soundsgood]

The young Korean (?) guy was also pretty impressive.

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

Weird??? Hell no! That's freaky. That's what you want Leeroid!

He's probably not tensing his quads as hard as his upper body in this pose so they are looking a bit smoother. Good potential. :nod:

[train hard]

lol you guys maybe the "korean guy" actually trains his ass off in the gym and eats properly and not go out and get fuked of his face every weekend. does not look weird to me .

[Gym rat]

From what I make of the photos I thought the Korean guy looked good on stage.I would have to agree with Soundsgood good potential also a good future as well.I thought Kai Greene looked in good shape being in off season mode plus a great way to kick things off for the 2013 bodybuilding season hear in NZ

[Android]

I never said we were on the same level in fact I dont really agree with a lot of the things george farah says particularly regarding post workout nutrition. However he said kai was on 250g of protein right? He's hardly wasting away is he? Probably the best shape of his life. Yeah I agree a little more protein when dieting helps for sure but for putting on muscle mass 300+g of protein is not necessary and the fact kai is eating 250g in the off season and looking mean adds some weight to that argument...

Nah George Farah said Kai uses 2gms protein per pound, so 640gms protein per day.

George really knows his stuff...Of course, this drew ridicule from the less informed on this forum, so its good to see someone in the pro ranks with some common sense.

Databases...really!!!! what r they? :shock:

Do you mean Google Scholar, Citebase Search, SSRRN etc ... all available to anyone with access to an academic licence or knows someone doing a PhD.

Get with the program, you're not alone on this earth

[Leeroid]

The young Korean (?) guy was also pretty impressive.

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

Weird??? Hell no! That's freaky. That's what you want Leeroid!

He's probably not tensing his quads as hard as his upper body in this pose so they are looking a bit smoother. Good potential. :nod:

I just never saw quads like that before so jumped to conclusions. Damn good physique overall, mirin.

Dianabol, do u know how much his quads measure?

[DIANABOL]

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

Weird??? Hell no! That's freaky. That's what you want Leeroid!

He's probably not tensing his quads as hard as his upper body in this pose so they are looking a bit smoother. Good potential. :nod:

I just never saw quads like that before so jumped to conclusions. Damn good physique overall, mirin.

Dianabol, do u know how much his quads measure?

Not sure bro, he is pretty short though - 5'7 or 5'8

[Android]

The young Korean (?) guy was also pretty impressive.

He had weird as f*ck quads! Looked like he abused the hell out of them with synthol, smooth as compared to his upper body and an unnatural looking sweep.

Does that look weird to you guys?

Weird??? Hell no! That's freaky. That's what you want Leeroid!

He's probably not tensing his quads as hard as his upper body in this pose so they are looking a bit smoother. Good potential. :nod:

they didn't look quite as weird as they do in the photo on stage but they were freaky :pfft: Everyone was like "wtf" just to see a great build like that walk out as a Novice haha!

I thought maybe he had worked his Legs in the last 7 days so they were still swollen....