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[jimmybro1]

weigh in this week 133.1kg so up a kg since last week

my goals and focus could be changing in the next week. i have found a show i would love to compete in thats in just over 14 weeks and is in my local town, which means i wont have to travel.

now here lies the dilemma......

im in week 7 of my test cycle, have dropped the dbol done a good 3 weeks of it and have had enough.

if i were to begin dieting next week, i have been contemplating on my mind whether to extend the test cycle through my comp prep. i most probly wont add any other compounds, maybe some clen to help shed the fat a bit, but will my main emphasis will be on diet/training/cardio to lean up.

i just want to keep the test in there to retain as much LBM as possible, i have weighing up the risks and reading and researching in regards to possibly carrying out the test cycle, which will mean i will have been on for about 20 weeks all up by the time competition comes around.

does any experienced members/users have any feedback or any constructive input about any of the above. and please spare me the "its only your 1st cycle" speech i do realise this, it isnt set in stone yet it was just a thought i had and would love to compete!

Would it matter how long the cycle is as your natural test levels would already be fully suppressed?

Maybe hCG might be worth researching...

But i've had no experience just what i've read could be complete bogus.

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so as i said earlier my goals have changed as of this week.

i have decided i will compete in my first show in 14 weeks, so i have gone into prep mode and started dieting as of Monday.

In terms of thee gear i will use leading up to the show, i have been seeking advice both from experienced members/BBers on this board and via other forums.

In saying this im about to go against all the "rules" for a first time user.

So i will continue to run Test E @ 500mg p/week until this runs out, which will be in about 5 weeks, then i will switch to Test prop @ 50mg ED. if im prone to holding too much water i will likely drop the test a week before the show.

In 4 or 5 weeks dependant on how much BF i drop, i will start a small course of Tren Ace 50mg ED for 8-9 weeks. if sides are too much i will drop this. im likely to drop the tren same time as the test. ive read around a few places and some like to drop tren a week or 2 before the test, not totally sure as to why yet, what im getting though its personal preferance.

The last 4 weeks of my prep i will add stanozolol @ 50mg ED.

throughout the cycle i will run an AI, most probably at .5mgs EOD and if there is a need to increase i will do so.

after a total of 20 weeks of being "on" i will do an aggressive PCT with both nolva and clomid and a slightly longer PCT than usual until im recovered, i will get bloods to confirm this. If i had HCG i would blast with this, but its not very common in NZ im told. I dont have access to any anti progesterone drugs yet but if they do become available i wouldnt mind having one on hand incase of sides related to tren.

so during my 14 week prep it will look something like this..

WK 1-5 Test E @ 500mg

WK 5-13 or 14 Test Prop @ 50 ED

WK 5-13 Tren Ace @ 50mg ED

WK 11-14 Stanozolol @ 50mg ED

PCT will begin the day after last dose of Winny, or if i run test and tren up to the show the 3 days aftre last pin.

Clomid 100/50/25/25/25

Nolva 40/20/20/10/10

Any input from veterans would be great, please no flaming, i have considered this seriously and probably wouldnt do this if i wasnt competing. yes iam a newby, but thats why im here :nod:

Inb4 on HRT before 30

Diet calories at this point and time are sitting at 3400-3500 cals.

macros rougly.

450 P / 300 C / 45 F

doing cardio EOD for 30min for those interested alongside a 5-6 day training split.

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so as i said earlier my goals have changed as of this week.

i have decided i will compete in my first show in 14 weeks, so i have gone into prep mode and started dieting as of Monday.

In terms of thee gear i will use leading up to the show, i have been seeking advice both from experienced members/BBers on this board and via other forums.

In saying this im about to go against all the "rules" for a first time user.

So i will continue to run Test E @ 500mg p/week until this runs out, which will be in about 5 weeks, then i will switch to Test prop @ 50mg ED. if im prone to holding too much water i will likely drop the test a week before the show.

In 4 or 5 weeks dependant on how much BF i drop, i will start a small course of Tren Ace 50mg ED for 8-9 weeks. if sides are too much i will drop this. im likely to drop the tren same time as the test. ive read around a few places and some like to drop tren a week or 2 before the test, not totally sure as to why yet, what im getting though its personal preferance.

The last 4 weeks of my prep i will add stanozolol @ 50mg ED.

throughout the cycle i will run an AI, most probably at .5mgs EOD and if there is a need to increase i will do so.

after a total of 20 weeks of being "on" i will do an aggressive PCT with both nolva and clomid and a slightly longer PCT than usual until im recovered, i will get bloods to confirm this. If i had HCG i would blast with this, but its not very common in NZ im told. I dont have access to any anti progesterone drugs yet but if they do become available i wouldnt mind having one on hand incase of sides related to tren.

so during my 14 week prep it will look something like this..

WK 1-5 Test E @ 500mg

WK 5-13 or 14 Test Prop @ 50 ED

WK 5-13 Tren Ace @ 50mg ED

WK 11-14 Stanozolol @ 50mg ED

PCT will begin the day after last dose of Winny, or if i run test and tren up to the show the 3 days aftre last pin.

Clomid 100/50/25/25/25

Nolva 40/20/20/10/10

Any input from veterans would be great, please no flaming, i have considered this seriously and probably wouldnt do this if i wasnt competing. yes iam a newby, but thats why im here :nod:

Inb4 on HRT before 30

Diet calories at this point and time are sitting at 3400-3500 cals.

macros rougly.

450 P / 300 C / 45 F

doing cardio EOD for 30min for those interested alongside a 5-6 day training split.

[DIANABOL]

I wouldnt run test all the way into your show...drop it 2-4 weeks out depending on how prone you are to holding water.

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I wouldnt run test all the way into your show...drop it 2-4 weeks out depending on how prone you are to holding water.

thanks for the quick reply Dbol, yes i was thinking this, i think i'am quite prone to holding water from recent experience with dbol and the test.

so would cutting out test 2 weeks before and keeping the tren alongside winny up to the show be a better idea??

[DIANABOL]

I wouldnt run test all the way into your show...drop it 2-4 weeks out depending on how prone you are to holding water.

thanks for the quick reply Dbol, yes i was thinking this, i think i'am quite prone to holding water from recent experience with dbol and the test.

so would cutting out test 2 weeks before and keeping the tren alongside winny up to the show be a better idea??

Yep, cut test out all together 2-4 weeks out.

Tren can make you hold a little water also, so maybe drop this a few days out. Run the winstrol right in and make sure youre smashing the letro and adex from 4 weeks out.

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I wouldnt run test all the way into your show...drop it 2-4 weeks out depending on how prone you are to holding water.

thanks for the quick reply Dbol, yes i was thinking this, i think i'am quite prone to holding water from recent experience with dbol and the test.

so would cutting out test 2 weeks before and keeping the tren alongside winny up to the show be a better idea??

Yep, cut test out all together 2-4 weeks out.

Tren can make you hold a little water also, so maybe drop this a few days out. Run the winstrol right in and make sure youre smashing the letro and adex from 4 weeks out.

cool thanks again bro. running 2 AIs? is that to pulll out as much water as possible?

so dropping test + 2 AIs + tren = no sex drive? :pfft:

thanks for the input bro, will read up some more about the AIs :nod:

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have revised cycle..

WK 1-5 Test E @ 500mg

WK 5-11 or 12 Test Prop @ 50 ED (dependant on water retention)

WK 5-13 Tren Ace @ 50mg ED

WK 11-14 Stanozolol @ 50mg ED

start PCT day after last winny dose.

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have revised cycle..

WK 1-5 Test E @ 500mg

WK 5-11 or 12 Test Prop @ 50 ED

WK 5-13 Tren Ace @ 50mg ED

WK 11-14 Stanozolol @ 50mg ED

start PCT day after last winny dose.

[DIANABOL]

thanks for the quick reply Dbol, yes i was thinking this, i think i'am quite prone to holding water from recent experience with dbol and the test.

so would cutting out test 2 weeks before and keeping the tren alongside winny up to the show be a better idea??

Yep, cut test out all together 2-4 weeks out.

Tren can make you hold a little water also, so maybe drop this a few days out. Run the winstrol right in and make sure youre smashing the letro and adex from 4 weeks out.

cool thanks again bro. running 2 AIs? is that to pulll out as much water as possible?

so dropping test + 2 AIs + tren = no sex drive? :pfft:

thanks for the input bro, will read up some more about the AIs :nod:

To help dry you out yes.

Lol @ sex drive - 4 weeks out from your show I dont think you'll be that interested in sex anyway.

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so well into week 8 of test e cycle, and my first week of comp prep. gonna be doing my 3rd cardio session of the week tonight, just 30min of LISS. sticking with just the 3 sessions this week as diet is on par, will increase if i need to later on down the line. done 4 sessions in the gym this week so resting tonight and hitting it hard sat and sunday.

hitting back tommorrow so should be a big workout

typical back session in order

Pull ups/ Wide grip pull downs

Deadlifts or rack pulls

close grip pulldowns

Barbell or T-Bar rows

seated row or 1 arm rows or low row

stiff arm pull down

il chop and change the exercises week to week. same with the rep ranges, i like a pyramid style workout starting off lighter and getting into heavier sets. all up il try hit between 20-25 sets and by then im usually fucked

im already feelin less water retention just from the change in diet. weighed in yesterday @ 130.0kg so ive lost almost 2 kgs of water and hopefully a bit of bodyfat :pray: since last week, but only started dieting on monday.

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update:

acne on my forehead sucks ass! :evil: however its worth the recovery and strength gains Ive made in the last few weeks. recovery rates are awesome, even while eating on a cal deficit, its only been a week of dieting and can see some good changes already.

have actually enjoyed the pinning experience. so far have rotated from quads, glutes , delts, pecs and my latest i tried was my left calf. the pip in my calf had to be the worse yet, only lasted 2 days but it felt like someone kicked the shit out of it

2 more weeks then i start tren, by then i should be a little leaner. still trying to bring up lagging parts, legs and back are my weak points so have been hammering them hard, praying that il be growing going into the show with the added compounds.

4 weeks between photo of legs and latest one lastnight, i know its different lighting and taken with a potato but can see some separation happening, yay for me

[donz]

Just felt like popping in and saying HOLY SHIT! at your legs.

good day sir

[Rxx]

Oh yeah I see what you mean about your legs being a weak point........ :shock:

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they remind me of balloons filled with water and no shape :cry:

[Rxx]

Your outer sweep is insane! When you cut up they will be awesome.

[donz]

^^ Agree.

I have 19 inch calves which to most of my friends is apparently awesome but looking down from my angle and seeing quads that are only just fractionally bigger than them due to NO sweep is very depressing. Would fricking love the shape you have there bro, sick as fuarrrrrrrk

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cheers fellaz!

all the more motivation to keep this dieting up, hopefully can bring some good wheels come 13 weeks :nod: :pray:

[jimmybro1]

Quads look good, outer sweep is good.

How's the hamstrings coming along. ?

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Quads look good, outer sweep is good.

How's the hamstrings coming along. ?

Still under average JB, il try get a photo tonight, no visible sweep, domt think there will be until i get to a lower bf % to be honest.

[ttssmm]

Re cycle, I would just run test e all the way thru and if u felt needed then at week 5-12 drop the dosage down.

Prop doesn't hold any less water, it's the lower dose its usually run at which attributes to this.

Plus ur levels are gonna spike for a while then drop if at week 5 you discontinue the enanthate and begin the propionate right away. Did you think of that.

By using a long ester testosterone it essentially tapers itself off in the dosage so you just use less or halt use before the show to get a drop in water retention while still essentially 'being on'.

Test e isn't for bulking and test prop isn't for cutting. That's a myth.

Also worry about water retention last, get lean first. Getting rid of water is the easy part... Don't be the fat guy popping lasix or amizide.

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Re cycle, I would just run test e all the way thru and if u felt needed then at week 5-12 drop the dosage down.

Prop doesn't hold any less water, it's the lower dose its usually run at which attributes to this.

Plus ur levels are gonna spike for a while then drop if at week 5 you discontinue the enanthate and begin the propionate right away. Did you think of that.

By using a long ester testosterone it essentially tapers itself off in the dosage so you just use less or halt use before the show to get a drop in water retention while still essentially 'being on'.

Test e isn't for bulking and test prop isn't for cutting. That's a myth.

Also worry about water retention last, get lean first. Getting rid of water is the easy part... Don't be the fat guy popping lasix or amizide.

Cheers for your views/advice tom, i see you've been banned again, dunno what for this time, but this had me thinking and im actually considering staying on test e because of the tapering effect and also the convenience factor.

its just the more i read around the more conflicting advice i see. so il just stick with test e and lower the dose when i begin tren then stop use around 3 weeks out, il carry on using tren upto a few days out and winny right up until the show.

just to throw it out there, i added that young 20yr old BBer Bostin Loyd on fb and was chatting to him about his contest prep, he reckons dont drop any drugs in contest prep and is running 1500mgs of test into the show, and dude looks pretty lean and dry, probably a combination of drugs and diet. dudes pretty funny and open about his use.

few photos of him for those of you that dont know him mainly in his last few weeks of prep.

[jimmybro1]

Bostin is crazy man!

Takes alot for drugs not sure if I would take advice from him...

[Riccardo]

You can run test up to the day of the show if you want although I'd probably drop dosage a week or two before. The reason you bloat is due to estrogen, If you are dieting down for a show and have low body fat then you wont really have issues with estrogen because the aromatase enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen is located in large amount within adipose tissue (fat). If you have issues still, you can use a little bit of arimidex or nolva to help dry you out, It shouldn't matter though.

[Leeroid]

Re cycle, I would just run test e all the way thru and if u felt needed then at week 5-12 drop the dosage down.

Prop doesn't hold any less water, it's the lower dose its usually run at which attributes to this.

Plus ur levels are gonna spike for a while then drop if at week 5 you discontinue the enanthate and begin the propionate right away. Did you think of that.

By using a long ester testosterone it essentially tapers itself off in the dosage so you just use less or halt use before the show to get a drop in water retention while still essentially 'being on'.

Test e isn't for bulking and test prop isn't for cutting. That's a myth.

Also worry about water retention last, get lean first. Getting rid of water is the easy part... Don't be the fat guy popping lasix or amizide.

It's a shame that tomsammce got banned as he was making some good posts with good advice recently. Oh well :cry: