Tren Ace / Test Prop Cycle with anavar and clen

[livetolift]

Hey everyone I'm new here looking at doing a Tren Ace / Test Prop Cycle I'm currently 6'1 101kg 14% Bf been training for 8 years currently 26 years old. As far as training and diet I'm spot on done plenty of research and talked to experts at my gym. I also am looking into running anavar and clen along side it.

Here is what I'm thinking of doing cycle wise

12 Weeks - Test prop @ 400mg week

10 weeks - Tren Ace@ 50mg Ed

Not to sure about the anavar and clen though is it needed?

For PCT I'm thinking Clomid, Nolva.

I'm new to cycling so I'm opening to what ever you guys think is best just let me know! My goals are to get to around 108 lean though. I'm finding it so hard to keep getting bigger without getting high body fat I have tried to stay eating a really clean bulk but I'm stuck at 98-101 and I can't move I have tried everything. I think this is just my natural limit on my size.

[Chemo]

Tren on a first cycle is a pretty rare occurrence. I wouldn't do it as you haven't seen how test alone will effect you. You'd want an AI ready too if you we're to yolo it.

No doubt it would be a great cycle. But overkill a bit.

I'd say leave the tren out for now. Let the clen and var do the leaning component of your cycle. And keep a focus on diet.

[train_insane]

I did tren and prop for my first cycle and it was mean !! Tren gives me night sweats though and the odd tren cough but i made a good gain. I found when running short esters the growth effects seem to plateau at around about 8 weeks. I did a 16 week cycle on prop and tren and its just a waste, after week 8ish nothing more happened just in my experiance

[genetic freek]

I did tren and prop for my first cycle and it was mean !! Tren gives me night sweats though and the odd tren cough but i made a good gain. I found when running short esters the growth effects seem to plateau at around about 8 weeks. I did a 16 week cycle on prop and tren and its just a waste, after week 8ish nothing more happened just in my experiance

Strong brain

[humpty]

Tren Ace and Propionate are great but keep in mind you have to inject every day ideally.

Anavar is very weak and at the moment it is quite rare on the market so instead of paying .60c for a 10mg tab you will pay up to $3.50 and need a good 8 tabs per day.

I would go Tren Hex and Propionate if you are hell bent on tren, otherwise a 500mg cycle of Sustanon every nine days with a bit of dbol is more than enough to lean you out.

And dont forget the liver is the most efficient fat burning tool your body has, if its not clean you will appear ruddy and find it hard to drop fat.

[Android]

Tren Ace and Propionate are great but keep in mind you have to inject every day ideally.

Anavar is very weak and at the moment it is quite rare on the market so instead of paying .60c for a 10mg tab you will pay up to $3.50 and need a good 8 tabs per day.

I would go Tren Hex and Propionate if you are hell bent on tren, otherwise a 500mg cycle of Sustanon every nine days with a bit of dbol is more than enough to lean you out.

And dont forget the liver is the most efficient fat burning tool your body has, if its not clean you will appear ruddy and find it hard to drop fat.

depends...it's $1/10mg tab most places still...why would it be rare, is there some global anavar crisis on?

still expensive though

[humpty]

It is expensive because its nearing comp season...

Availabilty, timing and season are all part of the price variation.

If you dont need something and no one generally needs it at the time why sell it high, you wouldnt. However, if its in high demand and everyone wants it the price gets bumped up.

Anavar is expensive and prices vary but it is still expensive for what you get.

I dont know how to use it effectively as a male but it works well with chickies

[Android]

ahh i c

i'm out of touch with these things :shock: so much to remember

[DIANABOL]

It is expensive because its nearing comp season...

Availabilty, timing and season are all part of the price variation.

If you dont need something and no one generally needs it at the time why sell it high, you wouldnt. However, if its in high demand and everyone wants it the price gets bumped up.

Anavar is expensive and prices vary but it is still expensive for what you get.

I dont know how to use it effectively as a male but it works well with chickies

Raw anavar powder is cheap as, most UGLs sell it for so much because of this...

If you dont need something and no one generally needs it at the time why sell it high, you wouldnt. However, if its in high demand and everyone wants it the price gets bumped up.

Many male users report good results on anything 100mg ED and over.

[Chemo]

Agree. Raw anavar powder isn't outrageously expensive. It's gotten cheaper, on of the reasons its sold higher is its designer status. Ok results, low to no sides and women can use.

Don't run tren hex first time around. Just run ace. Shorter acting, less room for error if you don't handle it well.

"If in doubt pull out" hu hu hu

[Terrymundo]

Im not sure what interests people in Anavar. Its weak, expensive, often faked and harder to find. Im sure there are much better alternatives availible. I see it as: I could do 100mg Ed of Anavar or for the same $$ I could do 100mg Tren ED (not that I would).

[Chemo]

Im not sure what interests people in Anavar. Its weak, expensive, often faked and harder to find. Im sure there are much better alternatives availible. I see it as: I could do 100mg Ed of Anavar or for the same $$ I could do 100mg Tren ED (not that I would).

you would :grin:

good way to look at it cost wise.

[humpty]

Tren hex is beter than tren ace I think as it is the only member of the tren family made for human use.

It is not harsh or aggressive in relation to sides such as Tren ace and Enanthate.

It only comes as 75mg/ml and is very expensive. What gains strength wise compared to dianabol would one get from Anavar?

[Terrymundo]

Tren hex is beter than tren ace I think as it is the only member of the tren family made for human use.

It is not harsh or aggressive in relation to sides such as Tren ace and Enanthate.

It only comes as 75mg/ml and is very expensive. What gains strength wise compared to dianabol would one get from Anavar?

all trens are a much of a muchness. the fact that Tren Hex was used on humans dosn't mean much (plus who wants to look human anyway :pfft: ) The attached ester only dictates the time it takes to be released and become active in the body.

I advocate Tren Ace (quick releasing) because Tren is very harsh and when things go bad they go REALLY bad and FAST. You want to be able to pull the plug out on dat bitch when it goes south. The saying is the faster in the faster out.

If you use longer ester or blends of esters, guess what happens when the gods of tren cast their powers against you, you will have another 1-2 weeks before the nightmare stops. One time on a tren ace cycle I developed gyno, because of the ace ester I was able to quickly clean out my system of the compound and start my gyno reversal protocol with good success.

If strength is your goal with an oral I suggest you seek Superdrol aka methyl-drostolone (spelling???) wicked shit :twisted: even on 20mg a day

[humpty]

Tren hex is beter than tren ace I think as it is the only member of the tren family made for human use.

It is not harsh or aggressive in relation to sides such as Tren ace and Enanthate.

It only comes as 75mg/ml and is very expensive. What gains strength wise compared to dianabol would one get from Anavar?

all trens are a much of a muchness. the fact that Tren Hex was used on humans dosn't mean much (plus who wants to look human anyway :pfft: ) The attached ester only dictates the time it takes to be released and become active in the body.

I advocate Tren Ace (quick releasing) because Tren is very harsh and when things go bad they go REALLY bad and FAST. You want to be able to pull the plug out on dat bitch when it goes south. The saying is the faster in the faster out.

If you use longer ester or blends of esters, guess what happens when the gods of tren cast their powers against you, you will have another 1-2 weeks before the nightmare stops. One time on a tren ace cycle I developed gyno, because of the ace ester I was able to quickly clean out my system of the compound and start my gyno reversal protocol with good success.

If strength is your goal with an oral I suggest you seek Superdrol aka methyl-drostolone (spelling???) wicked shit :twisted: even on 20mg a day

How does superdrol work? All I can find is that it was oral masteron and was sold legally as it was sold as a health supplement in USA.

When the feds realised what it was they pulled the plug on it, but how does it increase strength when masteron (oil) dosn't?

[Chemo]

I guess its like dianabol is to boldenone. Similar chemical structure but acts much differently. With an Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio of 400/20 its pretty gnarly. Only downside is the need to cycle it and repair dem lipids and liver

[Kiwijuice]

Are you the same n/m

[livetolift]

dunno what you talking about kiwi? Maybe it is I saw it on this site lots of people posting before after pics so yea maybe common

[yeelang]

OX should be about 5 times the price of TE gram for gram.