Estradiol experience

[Android]

Just want to share an experience I have had, it may resonate with some others and give them an idea of what could be tried.

I've never been able to handle large doses of gear taken all at once. I could pin a ml of Test-E and a ml of Prop, then later that day feel lethargic, tired, to the point of being totally unmotivated and weak, like a Test Flu I suppose.

Turns out it's E2 levels spiking and is controllable. Am fark'n excited to have found the issue and couldn't have done it without the help of some smart guys I know. It's not immune system suppression or any other 'guesswork' I've heard around, it's elevated Estradiol levels.

I have experimented with pinning 1ml 100mg Prop and 1ml NPP and looking for solutions...it comes down to timing with 2 substances taken together (for me). Arimidex and Nolvadex.

I tried 5 different ways, different timings, just taking one AI, taking both etc and have found my sweet spot.

Here's what happened on day one.

I pinned at 8am and just after 4pm I was feeling the effects of weakness and lethargy. Went to the gym (of course!). After the gym I wasn't that hungry and even taking the rubbish out to the street was a mission I just wanted to go to bed.

I took 10mg Nolvadex and 0.25mg Arimidex at 6:30 and by 9pm I was bright, energetic and awake again! Cool I thought I had found the cure.

But in my mind I wanted to know, which AI was responsible for the effect, I just took both because I was told to try that, I wanted to know which one did the work.

So next day I took just Arimidex and pinned at the same time. I waited until the tiredness came and took same Adex as last time but 2hrs earlier. The effect was it stopped me going completely tired, but still felt suppressed energy levels and reached for the Nolvadex to get me right again.

3rd day I pinned at the same time, 2hrs before feeling tired in the afternoon I hit the Nolvadex with 20mg...nothing much. Took Arimidex later and it took the edge off the tiredness but still wasn't 100%.

4th day I pinned later in the morning. This means I could go to the gym before the tiredness kicked in. I also went back to both AIs and took them 4hrs later at 2pm. No tiredness, no lack of energy, completely normal.

5th day, I pinned at 10am again and didn't take any AI. I wondered if my body was getting used to the dosage of Test and now I was just wasting AI when it wasn't really needed. Was the weekend, and I definitely felt like shit later in the day...luckily had already been to the gym.

The end result is:

I have found that E2 spikes when I take what is for me a sudden increase and spike in Test-levels and I have found what works for me.

Timing the release of the Test and the AIs is important.

I pin at 10am and take both AIs at 2pm (0.25mg Adex and 10mg Nolvadex) for the short-acting esters.

I was surprised to read Arimidex has a half-life of 7+ days...but then found out it spikes after 3hrs, so I might be using that spike to combat the sudden surge of E2. Nolvadex at 10mg and 20mg seems to produce the same effect for me on PCT (and some research has indicated there's no difference either) so that's why I use 10mg of it.

Had spoken to so many people about this, one guy I know pins 2ml Prop EOD and has no issues, others get tired and have staggered their doses and used longer esters to cope.

I will do some blood work later to confirm this is the case. In the meantime I can now finally get rid of the that lethargic monkey off my back whenever I want to switch to short-esters and a decent level of Test.

P.S Tren and Prop together I'm ok with...wtf

Hope that helps anyone else who experiences tiredness after a pinning find their own solution.

[musclenz]

Good post Android. I think we all fail as AAS users to control estrogen levels & this may well be symptomatic to many ongoing issues we experience both physically & mentally in a male body.

[eatliftrest]

Great post thanks Android

[Riccardo]

Two important points to follow from the OP:

Stay away from short esters if possible as some research suggests they may actually cause an increase in estradiol due to the fast spike in plasma test and subsequent aromatization.

Also people overdo Nolvadex, 10-20mg is sufficient most of the time.

[chemicalpadawan]

Thank you for this advice sir.

I recently completed my first cycle and found the experience nothing like what I was expecting - I was extremely lethargic nearly the entire time, especially in the day after pinning.

I think I will be taking this advice into consideration for round two. I'm not keen to have another 12+ weeks of feeling like a teenager who can hardly be bothered talking or moving.

[Leeroid]

Also people overdo Nolvadex, 10-20mg is sufficient most of the time.

Are you referring to PCT or on cycle?

[Riccardo]

PCT. Particularly for beginner/intermediate cycles. I noticed you used something like 50/50/25/25 for yours? Unnecessary man, 20/20/10/10 would be fine. I personally recommend a taper over the use of more drugs but that's a whole other argument.

[Leeroid]

PCT. Particularly for beginner/intermediate cycles. I noticed you used something like 50/50/25/25 for yours? Unnecessary man, 20/20/10/10 would be fine. I personally recommend a taper over the use of more drugs but that's a whole other argument.

Interesting stuff. Can you explain in more detail?