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I’ve been training on and off for probably 20 years now. As an ecto with good ability to lose muscle and gain fat, I’ve spent a long time working on my nutrition and training. Being in my late 30’s I’ve found it more of an effort to gain and keep a physique. It appears to me that with my body type you can make all right moves being creatine, BCAA’s, 4000 calories/day plus, 1.5-2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, clean eating, DAA, test boosters, cardio, lift heavy, fat burners, but the line between gaining fat versus muscle seems to be a very fine one when you reach your late 30’s. Doing a recomposition diet or moderate cut seems to result in too much loss of size. It leads me to question the term natural bb’er, especially with my body type. For me weights have become more about maintaining a good pump and keeping the lifts up around my PB's, than constantly improving a physique. Any gains are easily undone with some physical work or an average eating day, and take some time to get back. Maybe that's normal?

Obviously I'd like to give a cycle a go. I’m from the country, live close to Dunedin, have my own gym and no contacts in town. Firstly, any suggestions on making contacts would help, being unknown puts me in the high risk category for being a cop (I work in the rural sector, I’m not a cop). Secondly, is there much bunk gear around Otago, and thirdly, what are some good average prices for Tren, Test, clen, Dbol so I don’t get ripped off.

Thanks for any advice.

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adex for pct jfc idiots

pct clomid 100/100/50/50/50mg or whatever u want really, i'm not your guys doctor

i could care less if u have natural normal hormone levels again

google this pct shit urself guys, im tired of seeing noob fgts not knowing the protocol.

look at dave palumbo's pct recommendations and take info from that

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Obviously I'd like to give a cycle a go. I’m from the country, live close to Dunedin, have my own gym and no contacts in town. Firstly, any suggestions on making contacts would help, being unknown puts me in the high risk category for being a cop (I work in the rural sector, I’m not a cop). Secondly, is there much bunk gear around Otago, and thirdly, what are some good average prices for Tren, Test, clen, Dbol so I don’t get ripped off.

Thanks for any advice.

Im sure your getting a few PM's already.

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creatine = useless

fark off, creatine works its no steroid but it works....dannydandanboyjay

Totally agree bro, Ive had good gains on creatine. BCAA's shit???????? Are you on crack or something.

BCAA's are pointless and a waste of money and time if you are eating sufficient protein as animal meat sources consist of any where between 10-20% BCAA's (% of protein). Also whey contains significant amounts of BCAA's, taking additional BCAA's is pointless IMO.

I agree creatine is useful though especially for people than don't take anabolics to increase water retention in the muscle cells to promote protein synthesis.

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1) Ecto- good ability to gain fat, is this real life? You know your body type isn't strictly classed as just ecto, meso or endo. You can be a combo of them. Learn your body type and play with your diet and training styles.. Record all your shit in a notebook so you see what works and what doesn't. 20years of training you should have your body pretty well sussed out by now.

2) BCAA's are waste of $$, been explained.

3) Your setting yourself up to buy a vial of olive oil, easy target for a scammer. Sit back and watch what goes on, talk to the right people... Don't ask everyone on an open forum to tell you where to find gear. Remember you'll pay more for good quality shit, a Lamborghini is going to cost you more than a Honda civic but atleast you know that Lambo isn't going to disintegrate when your going 100mph!

4) Plan your cycle and PCT, know what you want to take, how much and how long for. There is dick loads of info on the net so take the time to research and learn so you don't look like an idiot.

5th and final point) Don't ask about brands and prices, mods will give you the boot out the door faster that you can blink.

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Yeah some good points RXX. Did get my answer on price though. Agree that does seem to be a consensus that shit gear will always be cheap and sometimes ineffective.

Just on the first cycle. There’s been so many posts on it and everybody seems to have a different opinion. Just about all experienced users say Test E only. So that I’ll agree on. On other sites most recommend 500mg per week for 1st cycle, but this site seems to have a lot of people thinking that is overkill. UK and US sites seem to think 250mg is not enough. Then you split the difference and say well maybe 375mg is a good in between. I’m 95kg bone dry and empty, 6ft 1, 12-13%bf on the calipers, look more like 15-16%bf in the mirror. My thinking would be to maybe lose a bit more fat before starting, then just F it and go 500mg for 14 weeks. Foolish? Do many people think this is just unnecessary as receptors are fresh. Last thing I want is to do 250mg for 14 weeks and waste time. I tend to go overkill on everything. If I had my way I'd thow in some Deca or Dbol, but with this stuff there is no point in being stupid. To me it seems pointless starting on 250mg Test E, then blasting for a few weeks at 500mg towards end of cycle. But, is this the way to go?

Yep everybody is different, but 6ft 1, 95kg, wouldn't 500mg/wk for 14 weeks be a good option?.

I do put a lot of focus on food.Will be eating enough protein and calories, not always clean and perfect, but enough. Always get a heap of protein. Have a protein shake after every meal. I eat every 2 hours. My life revolves around my food.

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500mg/per week Test E for 10-12 weeks will be a good first cycle.

Run straight test first time round.

Protein shake after every meal? What are your meals? If your not getting enough protein from the meal itself then your diet is messed up. How much protein are you getting in per day?

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Considering a 10ml vial of 250mg/ml test e, capped and labeled costs under $10 to produce saying cheap gear is crap and ineffective is kinda naieve.

Price is irrelevant

Price doesn't always represent Quality. It represents cost, value and profit.

Having said that anyone who sells a single for less than 100-150 is just a muppet with not much business sense.

If the price is kept high ppl are forced to pay it and they will.

Soon we will all just be selling the equivalent of fucken tinnies... Whoop dee doo!

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Considering a 10ml vial of 250mg/ml test e, capped and labeled costs under $10 to produce saying cheap gear is crap and ineffective is kinda naieve.

Price is irrelevant

Price doesn't always represent Quality. It represents cost, value and profit.

Having said that anyone who sells a single for less than 100-150 is just a muppet with not much business sense.

If the price is kept high ppl are forced to pay it and they will.

Soon we will all just be selling the equivalent of fucken tinnies... Whoop dee doo!

Please post price list

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Yeah I don't know what they put in those protein shakes. Being a hard gainer I've found that always adding a shake seems to make things a lot more swole. Maybe it's like different proteins might be synagistic, maybe it's the extra sugar and calories, placebo?.

For breakfast I've had 5 egg whites on toast, half a can of baked beans this morning (Christmas), then a couple of scoops of Myofusion with milk. Feeling lazy today, at 10 this morning just had a shake with cup of raw oats, 2 scoops of different protein powders (about 50 grams of protein), 1 banana, 1 egg white, cup of milk and some water, plus jammed 2 slices of bread in my mouth, 4 fish oil caps, then went to sleep for an hour. I've always just grazed like that all day. Lunch will be steak and veges, plus protein shake.

Tom, good call. Never thought of it that way.

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Considering a 10ml vial of 250mg/ml test e, capped and labeled costs under $10 to produce saying cheap gear is crap and ineffective is kinda naieve.

Price is irrelevant

Price doesn't always represent Quality. It represents cost, value and profit.

Having said that anyone who sells a single for less than 100-150 is just a muppet with not much business sense.

If the price is kept high ppl are forced to pay it and they will.

Soon we will all just be selling the equivalent of fucken tinnies... Whoop dee doo!

Price isn't totally irrelevant Tom, have you ever thought about the quality of the lab/house that its made? Some cooks have hospital quility labs, sterile and clean. Then you got other half wits making the shit in their dirty, cockroach riddled bedrooms.. You guess who's going to charge more, and you tell me who's gear you'd rather jab in your ass. I can't speak for you, but I'd take gear I know is from a steril lab anyday. Unless your partial to and infected ass check. Your call. Like I said earlier, hes proably going to pay $100 for a vial of olive oil anyway.

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U can actually be surprisingly dirty and get away with pretty much anything provided you follow some simple steps at the end. Just needs to be filtered with a 0.22um filter, if you do that correctly... there ain't much that can go wrong if you do that. Especially if there's some BA in there.

It's when idiots don't filter it properly and don't put any BA in that things go wrong.

It might be sterile by filtering at first, but if there's no BA in there to stop growth of pathogens... you're possibly going to end up with a dirty infected vial after just a few uses.

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^ why did you delete? That was good info.

Fact of the matter is, 9 times out of 10 you'll be dealing with a middle man who isn't going to know f*ck all about the process in which it was made.

Good brands are just that, brands that have been proven to be good. Why buy anything else in my opinion.

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Considering a 10ml vial of 250mg/ml test e, capped and labeled costs under $10 to produce saying cheap gear is crap and ineffective is kinda naieve.

Price is irrelevant

Price doesn't always represent Quality. It represents cost, value and profit.

Having said that anyone who sells a single for less than 100-150 is just a muppet with not much business sense.

If the price is kept high ppl are forced to pay it and they will.

Soon we will all just be selling the equivalent of fucken tinnies... Whoop dee doo!

Please post price list

P.O.A phaggot

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Considering a 10ml vial of 250mg/ml test e, capped and labeled costs under $10 to produce saying cheap gear is crap and ineffective is kinda naieve.

Price is irrelevant

Price doesn't always represent Quality. It represents cost, value and profit.

Having said that anyone who sells a single for less than 100-150 is just a muppet with not much business sense.

If the price is kept high ppl are forced to pay it and they will.

Soon we will all just be selling the equivalent of fucken tinnies... Whoop dee doo!

Price isn't totally irrelevant Tom, have you ever thought about the quality of the lab/house that its made? Some cooks have hospital quility labs, sterile and clean. Then you got other half wits making the shit in their dirty, cockroach riddled bedrooms.. You guess who's going to charge more, and you tell me who's gear you'd rather jab in your ass. I can't speak for you, but I'd take gear I know is from a steril lab anyday. Unless your partial to and infected ass check. Your call. Like I said earlier, hes proably going to pay $100 for a vial of olive oil anyway.

Lol hospital quality labs... Get a grip mate.

Its like yeah... my gear is $250 per 10ml because I have to rent the university's laboratory and that covers my overheads. Lol

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